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Re: All about Trump and 2024

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The current GOP is not a democratic party, whatever you believe in terms of political values.
You are completely right. That’s why most of the people on TV have the “R” next to their name and not the “D”

But seriously, I doubt that is what you meant. I hope your answer does not contain some of “autocratic” , “fascist”, or “authoritarian” tropes so loosely thrown around these days
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Old 28.09.2021, 15:55
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You are completely right. That’s why most of the people on TV have the “R” next to their name and not the “D”

But seriously, I doubt that is what you meant. I hope your answer does not contain some of “autocratic” , “fascist”, or “authoritarian” tropes so loosely thrown around these days
They don't accept election outcomes unless they win. So yes, undemocratic.
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Old 28.09.2021, 16:29
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They don't accept election outcomes unless they win. So yes, undemocratic.

Which I suppose is so different to the DNC complaining about the electoral college, fake russian meddling, trying to meddle with electoral college electors, etc in 2016?
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Which I suppose is so different to the DNC complaining about the electoral college, fake russian meddling, trying to meddle with electoral college electors, etc in 2016?
It is.
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Old 28.09.2021, 16:39
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Which I suppose is so different to the DNC complaining about the electoral college, fake russian meddling, trying to meddle with electoral college electors, etc in 2016?
Correct, different planets.
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Old 28.09.2021, 18:10
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

An arbitrator has announced yesterday that Trump's Non-disclosure agreements are worthless, this is not the first time Trump NDAs have been thrown out.
This was in the case against Omarosa Manigualt Newman’s who penned a book about her experience serving in his administration. Trump tried to use his NDAs to block criticism from people close to him.

The arbitrator, Andrew Brown, wrote that the definition of what kind of comment was protected by the NDA was so vague that it was rendered meaningless. The decision orders Manigault Newman to receive legal fees from the Trump campaign.
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If people realized what danger to the rule of law and democratic governance the GOP actually is, I would be comfortably betting on Harris vs whoever (ideally Trump who only will look older and crazier). But if the economy is shit, then who knows. Same logic for the midterms.
Are the Dems really any better?
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Old 28.09.2021, 18:53
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Are the Dems really any better?
Yes. Not for policy reasons, but for (imperfect) respect of the democratic system. The GOP is no different than Fidesz or this Polish Law and Justice party and all the other right-wing, post-truth populist parties.
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Old 28.09.2021, 19:40
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Yes. Not for policy reasons, but for (imperfect) respect of the democratic system. The GOP is no different than Fidesz or this Polish Law and Justice party and all the other right-wing, post-truth populist parties.
You do realise that the Democratic party itself is anything but? You know, superdelegates and all that jazz, they basically secured Hillary the nomination before even one primary vote was cast. This is less undemocratic now, but they still exist and gives special political privileges to a select few.

A group of Dems launched a law (didn't go anywhere though) to strip Trump, and Trump only, of all federal support and services due every former POTUS. No protection by Secret Service, no presidential library, and quite a few more things IIRC.

Trump was called dictator for governing by decree. The first thing Biden did was issue some 30 decrees, and was lauded for this deeply democratic approach.

The DOJ had launched, under Trump, a court case against Yale claiming discrimination of minorities. One of those 30 decrees by Biden ordered that the DOJ withdraw that court case, and of course that's what they did.

Another decree re-implemented ideological indoctrination of federal employees by subjecting them to CRT-based training.

Biden tried to introduce ideological indoctrination by state schools by limiting federal support to those schools who teach CRT-based stuff.

As for
"They don't accept election outcomes unless they win. So yes, undemocratic."
look up their reaction when Trump got elected. If you go back to the Bush times you may find plenty more.


And that's just off the top of my head, there's probably massively more.
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Old 28.09.2021, 19:42
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You do realise that the Democratic party itself is anything but? You know, Superdelegates and all that jazz.

A group of Dems launched a law (didn't go anywhere though) to strip Trump, and Trump only, of all federal support and services due to every former POTUS. No protection by Secret Service, no presidential library, and quite a few more things IIRC.

Trump was called dictator for governing by decree. The first thing Biden did was issue some 30 decrees, and was lauded for his deeply democratic approach.

The DOJ had launched, under Trump, a court case against Yale claiming discrimination of minorities. One of those 30 decrees by Biden stopped ordered that the DOJ withdraw that court case.

Another decree re-implemented ideological indoctrination of federal employees by having subjecting them to critical race training.

Biden tried to introduce ideological indoctination by state schools by limiting federal support to those schools who teach CRT-based stuff.

And that's just off the top of my head, there's probably massively more.
Cool, let's agree to disagree. As I assume neither of us is eligible to vote in the US, it won't materially impact the outcomes anyhow
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Old 28.09.2021, 20:51
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Great piece by Fiona Hill.

The Kremlin' Strange Victory -
How Putin Exploits American Dysfunction and Fuels American Decline

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...gn=amp_kickers
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Old 28.09.2021, 22:44
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Cool, let's agree to disagree. As I assume neither of us is eligible to vote in the US, it won't materially impact the outcomes anyhow
I used to be, and my kids still are, but they only vote here.

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Old 30.09.2021, 12:08
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You do realise that the Democratic party itself is anything but? You know, superdelegates and all that jazz, they basically secured Hillary the nomination before even one primary vote was cast. This is less undemocratic now, but they still exist and gives special political privileges to a select few.

A group of Dems launched a law (didn't go anywhere though) to strip Trump, and Trump only, of all federal support and services due every former POTUS. No protection by Secret Service, no presidential library, and quite a few more things IIRC.

Trump was called dictator for governing by decree. The first thing Biden did was issue some 30 decrees, and was lauded for this deeply democratic approach.

The DOJ had launched, under Trump, a court case against Yale claiming discrimination of minorities. One of those 30 decrees by Biden ordered that the DOJ withdraw that court case, and of course that's what they did.

Another decree re-implemented ideological indoctrination of federal employees by subjecting them to CRT-based training.

Biden tried to introduce ideological indoctrination by state schools by limiting federal support to those schools who teach CRT-based stuff.

As for
"They don't accept election outcomes unless they win. So yes, undemocratic."
look up their reaction when Trump got elected. If you go back to the Bush times you may find plenty more.


And that's just off the top of my head, there's probably massively more.
It is just a roundabout, before becoming President Trump complained about Obama governing by decree then did the same, and now it is Biden.
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Old 30.09.2021, 12:41
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It is just a roundabout, before becoming President Trump complained about Obama governing by decree then did the same, and now it is Biden.
Executive Orders are a legitimate and constitutional instrument. They are often the only way to move things ahead when Congress is just stuck. The tea-party driven GOP during the Obama years was particularly obstructive. But yes, all presidents use them.

It is however a fundamentally different issue not to accept election results.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

I thought America would have got this bad social experiment of of their system after four years of donny boy, albeit i do miss his comedy central press conferences.


His successor through his ineptitude has left the the door open for Donny to go again. Its sad that a country like a America with 300 million or so population can only come up with these two boffuns to lead it.
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Executive Orders are a legitimate and constitutional instrument. They are often the only way to move things ahead when Congress is just stuck. The tea-party driven GOP during the Obama years was particularly obstructive. But yes, all presidents use them.

It is however a fundamentally different issue not to accept election results.
both of the last two presidential elections were not accepted by the rejected party
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Old 30.09.2021, 13:16
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both of the last two presidential elections were not accepted by the rejected party
Obama phoned Trump at 3:30 Wednesday morning to congratulate him on his upset victory over Democrat Hillary Clinton and invited Trump to the White House Thursday to discuss transition matters.

Remind us when Trump congratulated Biden?
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both of the last two presidential elections were not accepted by the rejected party
The 147 Republicans Who Voted to Overturn Election Results

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...objectors.html

Do you seriously compare this to the Dems' howls about the popular vote?
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