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Old 19.05.2022, 21:55
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So far in the primaries the republican turnout is significantly higher than the dems. 55% in states like NC and Pennsylvania.
True, but not sure it means much. They have more entertaining primaries because they have so many lunatics to choose from.

I wonder whether Cawthorn will now become the gay pornstar he apparently always wanted to be.
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Old 19.05.2022, 22:00
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So far in the primaries the republican turnout is significantly higher than the dems. 55% in states like NC and Pennsylvania.
Digging into the figures a bit, it is clear that a Trump nomination gives a candidate a big boost.

Mostly such Trump endorsements in GOP primaries get a little more than 30% of the total vote; assuming all GOP primary voters are Republicans then the hardcore Trump supporters are only about a third of them, a big number but not a crushing majority.

Edit: Consequently Trump endorsed candidates who are successful in GOP primaries may not have an easy path to winning the final vote.
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True, but not sure it means much. They have more entertaining primaries because they have so many lunatics to choose from.

I wonder whether Cawthorn will now become the gay pornstar he apparently always wanted to be.
Its a pretty good leading indicator. Especially in off elections like this. The enthusiasm of the primary voters is a sign of what is to come. And it seems Republican turnout is 30% higher than in 2018 when they lost the house. The last time I saw turnout like this is when Trump was nominated the 1st time. There was a similar high energy.

Cawthorn was bound to be a fluke. He is just too young, inexperience, and immature. At first glance I thought he was in a wheelchair from a millitary accident. Then when checking in, it seems like just a random spring break accident.
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Its a pretty good leading indicator. Especially in off elections like this. The enthusiasm of the primary voters is a sign of what is to come. And it seems Republican turnout is 30% higher than in 2018 when they lost the house. The last time I saw turnout like this is when Trump was nominated the 1st time. There was a similar high energy.
I don't disagree. Dems are in trouble, especially now that the economy looks shaky and inflation is high. Not that the GOP kooks have answers to the problems. Dems need to pivot to the center (yeah, right...) where the 5% sit that make the difference. Then the nuttier the GOP candidate, the better. In theory.

And I am not pro Dem because of their policy ideas. But the GOP is led by anti-democratic, stand-for-nothing grifters.
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But the GOP is led by anti-democratic, stand-for-nothing grifters.
Not sure why you excempt the Dems when both issues apply equally to both parties.
Look up the Dem's superdelegates and the power they held and hold if you think they're a beacon for democracy.
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Old 20.05.2022, 18:15
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Not sure why you excempt the Dems, both issues apply equally to both sides.
Look up the Dem's superdelegates and the power they held and hold if you think they're a beacon for democracy.
You are kidding, right? 70% or so of Republicans do not believe that Joe Biden is a democratically elected president. There are so many GOP candidates on state level that openly suggest to decertify their state's electoral votes from 2020. 150 or so GOP congressmen voted against certifocation of the election of Biden. A dozen senators were complicit to the conspiracy to overturn the election.
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Old 22.05.2022, 23:27
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

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You are kidding, right?
It's not a competition, both can be corrupt at the same time.

Of the things you mention, when have the media put them in perspective and compared them to past events? What happened when Hillary lost? Our memories are incredibly short, they shouldn't be trusted too much. Especially when you hear the same repeated again and again and again, even the WMDs lie was eventually believed by far too many.

The below is a big part of the reasons why I say the MSM can't be trusted, they put forth far too many lies by omission where they don't do so explicitly. What used to be bias (with nonetheless fair presentation of most relevant facts) has turned into ideology where the aim justifies any and all means.
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70% or so of Republicans do not believe that Joe Biden is a democratically elected president.
That's an individual decision, freedom of opinion and speech etc., not of the party. Of course mistrust is problematic, but that's a common issue nothing new at all.

Immediately after Trump's election, Gallup reported that:
- 76% of Clinton voters say Trump is legitimate president
- 60% of Clinton voters say election has caused permanent harm to U.S.
- Views of this election similar to 2000 election

In 2017, WRT Trump's certification, NbcNews reported that
"Some Democratic House members attempted to object to some states Electoral College votes to protest the election results. But their objections went nowhere because they were unable to gain the support of a senator, per the rules.
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At one point, Rep. Maxine Watters, D-Calif., stood and asked for a senator to join them. Only four Democratic senators attended the ceremony."

Hillary would have challenged Trump's election as well, if she'd known how.
I highly recommend you read this article by USA Today as well.

While it appears to have been less grave in 2017, it demonstrates that this is nothing new and most importantly that the Dems are no innocent victims either. I bet these games behind closed doors have been around since forever but of course the MSM are mum about the Dem's corruption.

Now, as for claims of rigging and stolen elections, Hillary did exactly that all through Trump's term. If you searc, you'll find plenty more than just these:
illegitimate president, stole election
"Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday."

Again in 2020 ahead of the elections you can have the election stolen from you:
"Hillary Clinton says she has been telling candidates seeking the 2020 Democratic nomination that even if they run a perfect campaign, the election could be "stolen" from them, implying that was what befell her in 2016."

The claims on voting fraud and rigged elections are anything but new.
Here's Obama calming a Democrat's concerns in 2008.

And of course it's now pretty much certain that Hillary signed off on the Trump-Russia allegations and smear campaign.

Meanwhile the Dems have the federal employees indoctrinated on CRT using federal funds at the taxpayer's expense. The Dems are abusing federal funds for their own political ends.
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Old 23.05.2022, 18:16
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Wall Street Journal had a blistering article about Hillary Clintons dirty tricks in instigating the Russiagate hoax

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The Russia-Trump collusion narrative of 2016 and beyond was a dirty trick for the ages, and now we know it came from the top—candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. That was the testimony Friday by 2016 Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in federal court, and while this news is hardly a surprise, it’s still bracing to find her fingerprints on the political weapon.

Mr. Mook testified as a witness in special counsel John Durham’s trial of Michael Sussmann, the lawyer accused of lying to the FBI. In September 2016, Mr. Sussmann took claims of a secret Trump connection to Russia’s Alfa Bank to the FBI and said he wasn’t acting on behalf of any client. Prosecutors say he was working for the Clinton campaign.

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But the thing to keep in mind is that President Obama was briefed when he was president, that Hillary Clinton was planning to make a Russian collusion claim against Donald Trump to try to sort of get out of her own email issues during the campaign.
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Old 24.05.2022, 11:30
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Wall Street Journal had a blistering article about Hillary Clintons dirty tricks in instigating the Russiagate hoax
WOW!
You just yesterday found out that politicians make fact free attacks on other politicians, what a revelation!

Another example
"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017"

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"Donald J. Trump
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Obama, Biden, Crooked Hillary and many others got caught in a Treasonous Act of Spying and Government Overthrow, a Criminal Act. How is Biden now allowed to run for President?

Oct 7th 2020 - 8:15:17 PM EST"
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You just yesterday found out that politicians make fact free attacks on other politicians, what a revelation!
Good to finally see you agree on the veracity of "crooked Hillary".

Implicitly on "crooked Joe", too. After all he's been in politics his entire grownup life.


A related finding, also as an ETA to my #407 above:
Gallup reported in 2014 already that "75% in U.S. See Widespread Government Corruption".
That's far too many to be a mostly Republican thing.
Maybe having a VP who, when she was the state's Attorney General, refused to release evidence that exculpated an accused isn't exactly helping.
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Old 25.05.2022, 11:45
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Trump's vengeance campaign has run aground in Georgia.
All three senior GOP Georgian politicians Trump has vilified since he lost the Presidential election won their primaries yesterday despite Trump finding and heavily supporting opposing candidates that supported his election lies.

Gov. Brian Kemp beat his challenger, former Sen. David Perdue, by 50 percentage points. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger fended off a stronger challenge from Rep. Jody Hice. And Attorney General Chris Carr easily dispatched attorney John Gordon.

The key question now is whether Trump has damaged these candidates so "bigly" that they will lose to the Democrats in the final elections so heating up the Mitch McConnell/Trump feud.

Edit: In another blow, the Alabama Senate candidate, Mo Brooks, whom Trump backed away from is advancing to a runoff.
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Old 25.05.2022, 16:47
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Trump's vengeance campaign has run aground in Georgia.
All three senior GOP Georgian politicians Trump has vilified since he lost the Presidential election won their primaries yesterday despite Trump finding and heavily supporting opposing candidates that supported his election lies.

Gov. Brian Kemp beat his challenger, former Sen. David Perdue, by 50 percentage points. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger fended off a stronger challenge from Rep. Jody Hice. And Attorney General Chris Carr easily dispatched attorney John Gordon.

The key question now is whether Trump has damaged these candidates so "bigly" that they will lose to the Democrats in the final elections so heating up the Mitch McConnell/Trump feud.

Edit: In another blow, the Alabama Senate candidate, Mo Brooks, whom Trump backed away from is advancing to a runoff.
Speaking of Georgia, remember that Voter ID bill in Georgia that everyone (and by that I mean libtards) was so upset about last year? Boycotts, MLB all-star game moved out of Atlanta……Georgia with record high early voting and overall voting in the primaries
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Old 26.05.2022, 16:49
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Trump's vengeance campaign has run aground in Georgia.
All three senior GOP Georgian politicians Trump has vilified since he lost the Presidential election won their primaries yesterday despite Trump finding and heavily supporting opposing candidates that supported his election lies.


Edit: In another blow, the Alabama Senate candidate, Mo Brooks, whom Trump backed away from is advancing to a runoff.
I can summarize your words: Republican voters think for themselves and don’t rely on endorsements to see who’s policies they like. In this case, in Georgia and Alabama, the voters were happy with the incumbents.

This is not the party that relies on celebrities and such to tell them who to vote for or to actually turn out for voting
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I can summarize your words: Republican voters think for themselves and don’t rely on endorsements to see who’s policies they like. In this case, in Georgia and Alabama, the voters were happy with the incumbents.

This is not the party that relies on celebrities and such to tell them who to vote for or to actually turn out for voting
Yeah, well not all Republicans think for themselves, and not all Democrats are reliant on celebrities. So stereotypical.
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Digging into the figures a bit, it is clear that a Trump nomination gives a candidate a big boost.

Mostly such Trump endorsements in GOP primaries get a little more than 30% of the total vote; assuming all GOP primary voters are Republicans then the hardcore Trump supporters are only about a third of them, a big number but not a crushing majority.

Edit: Consequently Trump endorsed candidates who are successful in GOP primaries may not have an easy path to winning the final vote.
Easy, probably not, but in the areas where Trump is popular it will not be that hard. There is a big difference between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to voting for someone not very popular. Democrats simply will not vote, or vote for a third party. Republicans tend to hold their noses and vote for the Republican candidate. Sure there are exceptions, but Republicans have always backed the party candidate much better than than the Democrats.
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Yeah, well not all Republicans think for themselves, and not all Democrats are reliant on celebrities. So stereotypical.
No, I am generalizing to an extent. But why is the whole celebrity get out the vote campaign aimed squarely at Democrat voters?
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No, I am generalizing to an extent. But why is the whole celebrity get out the vote campaign aimed squarely at Democrat voters?
It did not used to be so but Trump's lack of support for the trans community has caused many celebrities to jump ship like Caitlyn Jenner and some jumped for other reasons like Arnold Schwarzenegger, I believe Clint Eastwood is still hanging in.

Talking of Georgia, the Trump endorsed candidates in the House 10th and 6th districts did not do so well

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Wall Street Journal had a blistering article about Hillary Clintons dirty tricks in instigating the Russiagate hoax
This article was about the Michael Sussmann trial.

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Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann was acquitted Tuesday of lying to the FBI, in the first trial of special counsel John Durham's investigation.

The verdict is a major defeat for Durham and his Justice Department prosecutors, who have spent three years looking for wrongdoing in the Trump-Russia probe. He claimed Sussmann lied during a 2016 meeting in which he passed a tip to the FBI about Donald Trump and Russia.
Quite why Durham brought this case is hard to understand, it was always doomed to fail. The claim was that Sussmann lied to the FBI during a one to one meeting; there were no witnesses and the content of the meeting was recorded neither on tape nor in written form.

Trump-appointed special prosecutor John Durham spent at least $2.8 million of taxpayer money in the first year alone according to the DOJ statements of expenditure and since May 2019 cost three years of a large DOJ team pursuing Trump’s personal witch hunt against Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama — and has come up with nothing, nix, nada.
The Mueller investigation into Trump lasted less than two years.
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An interesting piece on how the "culture war" is fuelled with made up and multiplied claims of "racial grading" in schools. Wouldn't surprise me if much of the CRT and gender nonsense comes from similarly invented cases.

https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/a...-of-a-fake?s=w
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An interesting piece on how the "culture war" is fuelled with made up and multiplied claims of "racial grading" in schools. Wouldn't surprise me if much of the CRT and gender nonsense comes from similarly invented cases.

https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/a...-of-a-fake?s=w
Well, if the "gender nonsense" is not based on real life, then Florida's Parental Rights in Education bill (Florida House Bill 1557) that was recently enacted is a complete non-issue because, in that case, it tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Which begs the question what the woke outrage was all about.
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