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Lol…..no. They are looking for “classified documents”. So indictment or not after the not even slap on the wrist if hillary clinton for her distribution by private email, this has already seemed to enrage republicans
To the extent that some Republicans are now saying "defund the FBI". Hilarious.
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Old 09.08.2022, 11:05
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Lol…..no. They are looking for “classified documents”. So indictment or not after the not even slap on the wrist if hillary clinton for her distribution by private email, this has already seemed to enrage republicans
It is a good idea to recover secret documents from a golf club and put them in secure government storage.

Indicting a former president for mishandling classified documents is complicated and probably will never happen.

More interesting for the FBI (and all of us) is "what was in these documents that made Trump want to hide them in Florida"?
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If this turns out to be nothing….it‘s likely the end of the US
I fear the US is already well on its way down this path. This is just another nail in the coffin.

On the one hand I can well imagine President Trump being deliberately obstructive in order to martyrize himself, on the other, after the pointless Russia inquiry and the Jan 6 kangaroo court, it could just be another act of recklessness orchestrated by the Dems.

I'll reserve judgement until I see if anything comes out of all this. One would think though that the bar would have to be set exceedingly high for the DOJ to execute such a search warrant on a former President. As an example, when Bill Clinton was found to have kept items from the White House, it was treated as a misunderstanding. Does all feel rather banana republic though!
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I cannot take anyone seriously who calls the Jan 6 committee a "kangaroo court", sorry.
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I cannot take anyone seriously who calls the Jan 6 committee a "kangaroo court", sorry.
It's a joke, only select committee members from one side who have already decided the outcome. Have all star witnesses contradicted by other sources. Still yet to find any evidence that justifies referring the former president to the DOJ for criminal proceedings. Broadcasting live on TV. Again, all very banana republic.
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It's a joke, only select committee members from one side who have already decided the outcome.

I guess when Kevin McCarthy rescinds his 5 recommendations that's gonna happen
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

The FBI has a long story of meddling with politics. The poster child of the 1960s is J. Edgar Hoover and the hunt of communists, civil rights and antiwar activists, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

In more recent times, there are indications that the FBI keeps meddling with civil rights organizations, environmentalists, and people supporting politically Cuba and Iran. https://rightsanddissent.org/fbi-spying/

So, on one hand, the FBI interferes with politics. No surprises. On the other hand, how hard can someone fail to be put in the same box with radical treehuggers and old-school communists? The establishment may be protecting itself and this is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Old 09.08.2022, 13:36
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The FBI has a long story of meddling with politics. The poster child of the 1960s is J. Edgar Hoover and the hunt of communists, civil rights and antiwar activists, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

In more recent times, there are indications that the FBI keeps meddling with civil rights organizations, environmentalists, and people supporting politically Cuba and Iran. https://rightsanddissent.org/fbi-spying/

So, on one hand, the FBI interferes with politics. No surprises. On the other hand, how hard can someone fail to be put in the same box with radical treehuggers and old-school communists? The establishment may be protecting itself and this is not necessarily a bad thing.
What are you on a about? This is a federal investigation, so the relevant law enforcement unit is the FBI. Also, they cannot just do what they want. Garlamd himself must have approved of the application of the warrant, and a federal judge must have approved it. To issue a warrant on a former president is certainly something they would not do lightly.
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It's a joke, only select committee members from one side who have already decided the outcome. Have all star witnesses contradicted by other sources. Still yet to find any evidence that justifies referring the former president to the DOJ for criminal proceedings. Broadcasting live on TV. Again, all very banana republic.
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What are you on a about? This is a federal investigation, so the relevant law enforcement unit is the FBI. Also, they cannot just do what they want. Garlamd himself must have approved of the application of the warrant, and a federal judge must have approved it. To issue a warrant on a former president is certainly something they would not do lightly.
It is not something they would do lightly, especially given MAGA crazy consequences - but Axa is still right. Essentially the FBI has a shared interest with the government to stop any sort of anarchy / revolution against the establishment in its tracks.

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It's a joke, only select committee members from one side who have already decided the outcome. Have all star witnesses contradicted by other sources. Still yet to find any evidence that justifies referring the former president to the DOJ for criminal proceedings. Broadcasting live on TV. Again, all very banana republic.
The Jan 6 committee never had a goal to refer for criminal proceedings.
Anyway, the DOJ is not obliged to follow up on a criminal referral. The best the Jan 6 committee can do is to find evidence and they are doing a great job of shining a strong light into shady places.

Claiming all the star witnesses were contradicted by other sources is usual in any investigation, but so far those contradictions were not credible.
Remember the secret service people who were going to give contrary evidence under oath six weeks ago? Where are they?
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What are you on a about? This is a federal investigation, so the relevant law enforcement unit is the FBI. Also, they cannot just do what they want. Garlamd himself must have approved of the application of the warrant, and a federal judge must have approved it. To issue a warrant on a former president is certainly something they would not do lightly.
The FBI has a more or less well-defined concept of domestic terrorism where one of the identified threats is Anti-Government or Anti-Authority Violent Extremism from a "domestic violent extremist".

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...ology.pdf/view

My point was that the checks and balances of the system are working as intended. If civil rights activists, animal welfare activists or politicians go a bit to far into the coercion and intimidation game, they are brought to compliance. Since Mr. Trump went a bit too far into the extremism game, he's getting the extremist treatment.

US attorney general is carrying the political burden of this decision, let's see how heavy this burden is.
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The FBI has a more or less well-defined concept of domestic terrorism where one of the identified threats is Anti-Government or Anti-Authority Violent Extremism from a "domestic violent extremist".

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...ology.pdf/view

My point was that the checks and balances of the system are working as intended. If civil rights activists, animal welfare activists or politicians go a bit to far into the coercion and intimidation game, they are brought to compliance. Since Mr. Trump went a bit too far into the extremism game, he's getting the extremist treatment.

US attorney general is carrying the political burden of this decision, let's see how heavy this burden is.
I still don't get it. Domestic terrorism? Apparently this here is a search in relation to mishandling of confidential documents. Now of course, if these documents reveal he wanted to blow up the Capitol (hypothetically speaking before someone loses their shit) you may have a point - and this then might tie into the parallel investigation. But I guess you only you would see this in an indictment.
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Remember the secret service people who were going to give contrary evidence under oath six weeks ago? Where are they?
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I still don't get it. Domestic terrorism?
Even self labeled domestic terrorists:

https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/...erica-14533888
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Even self labeled domestic terrorists:

https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/...erica-14533888
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I still don't get it. Domestic terrorism? Apparently this here is a search in relation to mishandling of confidential documents. Now of course, if these documents reveal he wanted to blow up the Capitol (hypothetically speaking before someone loses their shit) you may have a point - and this then might tie into the parallel investigation. But I guess you only you would see this in an indictment.
Indeed, that seems to be the point of recovering all documents for "national archive". Fun thing, among the docs there's the full twitter history.

But, no there was no plan/docs to blow the Capital. The plan apparently was to forge docs to create chaos during the election days and coerce people/the system into declaring Trump the election winner.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal agents searched a former top Justice Department official’s home and seized records from key Republicans in at least five states linked to Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, in what were clear signs that authorities are ramping up their investigation of associates of the former president.

Authorities on Wednesday searched the Virginia home of Jeffrey Clark, who was known at the Justice Department to champion Trump’s false claims of election fraud. Agents in recent days also served subpoenas on the Republican Party chairmen of Arizona, Nevada and Georgia, three states that went for President Joe Biden and where Trump allies created slates of “alternate electors” intended to subvert the vote. And Republicans in two other states — Michigan and Pennsylvania — disclosed they had been interviewed by the FBI.

The Justice Department appears to be escalating its probe of pro-Trump efforts to overturn the 2020 election, which culminated in the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection. The disclosures of law enforcement activity came as the U.S. House committee investigating the riot said it had new evidence of Trump’s efforts and his knowledge that he had no legal basis to try to overturn the election.
https://www.kktv.com/2022/06/23/agen...dept-official/

It's a bit complicate because the US election system is indirect, citizens vote for "electors" by state than vote for the presidential election. Electors can be democrats or republicans and vote accordingly. Apparently, some people supporting Trump produced documents stating Republican electors have won in some states in order to cause incertitude and have political leverage to influence election results. Democrat electors won, but there were 2 versions of the documents. The fake documents did not make Trump win, but they contributed to kickstart the election fraud conspiracy.

The issue here is that some people willingly produced a document with the knowledge that information in there was incorrect. It's quite sure that the people faking documents related to the election never imagined that their political game to win the election would snowball into a riot that ended with dead people. It's quite probable that if the riot never occurred, no one would be looking at the fake docs and the people that made them today. However, riot happened and people died. The fabrication of evidence and rallying people to extremist acts falls more or less in the box of domestic terrorism.

It's a really interesting event. Politicians around the world say loudly every day "election fraud" and they or their political party get concessions from the election winner. Faking docs to support the claims of "election fraud" is a whole different story.
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Indeed, that seems to be the point of recovering all documents for "national archive". Fun thing, among the docs there's the full twitter history.

But, no there was no plan/docs to blow the Capital. The plan apparently was to forge docs to create chaos during the election days and coerce people/the system into declaring Trump the election winner.



https://www.kktv.com/2022/06/23/agen...dept-official/

It's a bit complicate because the US election system is indirect, citizens vote for "electors" by state than vote for the presidential election. Electors can be democrats or republicans and vote accordingly. Apparently, some people supporting Trump produced documents stating Republican electors have won in some states in order to cause incertitude and have political leverage to influence election results. Democrat electors won, but there were 2 versions of the documents. The fake documents did not make Trump win, but they contributed to kickstart the election fraud conspiracy.

The issue here is that some people willingly produced a document with the knowledge that information in there was incorrect. It's quite sure that the people faking documents related to the election never imagined that their political game to win the election would snowball into a riot that ended with dead people. It's quite probable that if the riot never occurred, no one would be looking at the fake docs and the people that made them today. However, riot happened and people died. The fabrication of evidence and rallying people to extremist acts falls more or less in the box of domestic terrorism.

It's a really interesting event. Politicians around the world say loudly every day "election fraud" and they or their political party get concessions from the election winner. Faking docs to support the claims of "election fraud" is a whole different story.
I am aware of what the allegations in regards to Trump's attempt at stealing the election are, including scheme with the fake electors. There are several felony provisions in in US Code that could cover those, but "terrorism" surely is not one of them. But I now understand your point.
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To the extent that some Republicans are now saying "defund the FBI". Hilarious.
Ironically the FBI is still run by the same man Trump appointed in 2017. Very clever of the Dems to get a "sleeper" appointed

Notice the old crow, Mitch McConnell, has been very quiet about the raid.
Nice short satire piece "McConnell Accuses Biden of Violating Traditions of Congress by Accomplishing Things".
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Mary Trump says her uncle is panicked by FBI raid and never believed the DOJ would take action

“This is just one example, in a very long line of examples, of Donald’s narcissism and sense of authority,” she said. “He might have known it was coming, but he couldn’t possibly believe it was coming because it never came. So I guess that’s where the panic is coming from.”
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