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Re: All about Trump and 2024

I don't know what the Clinton bullshit is. Nobody ever said it was legal for her to use a non-govt server, the FBI investigated it and their conclusion was not to charge because there was no criminal intent.

We will see im due course what the outcome of the Trump case is. Maybe they simply used the warrant to repatriate the documents and that was it. Maybe there is more.

And I sure hope he will be charged for the efforts to steal the election.
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Old 14.08.2022, 21:26
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I don't know what the Clinton bullshit is. Nobody ever said it was legal for her to use a non-govt server, the FBI investigated it and their conclusion was not to charge because there was no criminal intent.

We will see im due course what the outcome of the Trump case is. Maybe they simply used the warrant to repatriate the documents and that was it. Maybe there is more.

And I sure hope he will be charged for the efforts to steal the election.
Seems the FBI also took records from the surveillance cameras showing who was carrying boxes in and out of the Mar-a-Lago storage room and when and who had keys.

Of course, the FBI's job would be much easier if they could link these important US defense documents with Trump's mates Kim and Vlad.

Meanwhile former President Trump today called on the FBI to return documents reportedly seized at Mar-a-Lago that are protected by attorney-client and executive privileges. This request would have to be processed through some sort of third-party Court process, a delusional retiree in God's own waiting room is not the best person to judge what is privileged.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

I hope the end result of all these investigations is that the former President Donald Trump will be deemed unfit or of bad character to ever stand for President of the United States again. !!!
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Old 14.08.2022, 22:03
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And he is doing all this only for the people, the real Americans.

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I don't know what the Clinton bullshit is. Nobody ever said it was legal for her to use a non-govt server, the FBI investigated it and their conclusion was not to charge because there was no criminal intent.

We will see im due course what the outcome of the Trump case is. Maybe they simply used the warrant to repatriate the documents and that was it. Maybe there is more.

And I sure hope he will be charged for the efforts to steal the election.
The point is that in a democratic society the law and justice is supposed to be fair and equally applied. It is simply obvious to any fair minded reading of the situation that the Clinton's would have never had their house(s) raided over what appears at the moment to be a relatively minor thing.
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Old 15.08.2022, 10:06
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I hope the end result of all these investigations is that the former President Donald Trump will be deemed unfit or of bad character to ever stand for President of the United States again. !!!
Not going to happen.

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Old 15.08.2022, 10:51
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Not going to happen.

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This is the point. All this latest episode has done is provide the perfect platform for which President Trump to announce his running for 2024!

I'm in two minds as to what the aim is from this latest decision. One the one hand, given the number of (failed) investigations into the former President, it seems that the Democrats are simply desperate to find anything, literally anything, even if it's some stupid technical misdemeanor to try and remove Donald Trump from politics for good.

On the other, there's still a nagging feeling, albeit far less likely, that by keeping President Trump relevant and by encouraging him to run, the Dems see this as the only chance they have of being able to hold on to the White House in two years time.
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Old 15.08.2022, 11:00
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This is the point. All this latest episode has done is provide the perfect platform for which President Trump to announce his running for 2024!

I'm in two minds as to what the aim is from this latest decision. One the one hand, given the number of (failed) investigations into the former President, it seems that the Democrats are simply desperate to find anything, literally anything, even if it's some stupid technical misdemeanor to try and remove Donald Trump from politics for good.

On the other, there's still a nagging feeling, albeit far less likely, that by keeping President Trump relevant and by encouraging him to run, the Dems see this as the only chance they have of being able to hold on to the White House in two years time.
Or maybe, just maybe, DOJ finds it unacceptable that the guy sits on superclassified national security documents in the middle of this country club.
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Old 15.08.2022, 11:25
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Or maybe, just maybe, DOJ finds it unacceptable that the guy sits on superclassified national security documents in the middle of this country club.
If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Old 15.08.2022, 15:24
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If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
You are closing your eyes to eleven boxes of classified material recovered from his retirement home and confirmed by his lawyer who signed the FBI receipt.
Of course, your preference is to ignore facts.

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Old 15.08.2022, 15:27
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You are closing your eyes to eleven boxes of classified material recovered from his retirement home and confirmed by his lawyer who signed the FBI receipt.
Of course, your preference is to ignore facts.
What seems to be missing in the pic is that some of those where SCI, not just Top secret.
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Old 15.08.2022, 15:39
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If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
You doing such a poor job at selling ideas, you'd fail.
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Old 15.08.2022, 15:40
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What seems to be missing in the pic is that some of those where SCI, not just Top secret.
Pedant!
Here is part of the first page, or you can see the whole thing here.

I was more interested in showing the signature.

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Old 15.08.2022, 16:08
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Not going to happen.

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If it did, and there were charges to be laid, do you think Biden would use clemency powers to avoid such a spectacle, or follow Ford's lead by granting a full and unconditional pardon?
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Old 15.08.2022, 16:23
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The point is that in a democratic society the law and justice is supposed to be fair and equally applied. It is simply obvious to any fair simple minded reading of the situation that the Clinton's would have never had their house(s) raided over what appears at the moment to be a relatively minor thing.
Well of course nobody would raid the house of a Cabinet member who is allowed to have classified materials.

It is different when somebody who has no rights to secret documents keeps them in a storage room in a retirement home where people walk in and out and probably take photos to supplement their pocket money.
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Old 15.08.2022, 17:07
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If it did, and there were charges to be laid, do you think Biden would use clemency powers to avoid such a spectacle, or follow Ford's lead by granting a full and unconditional pardon?
Ohhhhh, a very interesting open question. Mr. Ford claimed to pardon Mr. Nixon to focus on solving an economic crisis, distrust of government, ending Vietnam war, and having to deal with USSR. Prosecuting Mr. Nixon would have caused a great internal division at hot times of the Cold War.



Meanwhile these days: not yet an economic crisis, US Army pulled out of Afghanistan, currently just involved in Syria, Yemen and Somalia. Russia is stuck in Ukraine with minimal involvement of other armies. No communist scare in the US. If there's a moment in the last years when everything's more or less OK in the US, it's now, and Mr. Trump has to worry because prosecuting him would be a public display of stability. A display that everything's under control and that an ex-prez can be prosecuted and the system keeps on going.

After all, in dictator world...the ones that pardon and make compromises are the weak
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Old 15.08.2022, 18:01
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If it did, and there were charges to be laid, do you think Biden would use clemency powers to avoid such a spectacle, or follow Ford's lead by granting a full and unconditional pardon?
I doubt Biden would grant an unconditional, I believe he would want Trump to agree to not stand for President again.
Of course, we could not trust Trump to keep his word and not release a flood of lawyers to reverse that.
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Old 15.08.2022, 21:30
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Ohhhhh, a very interesting open question. Mr. Ford claimed to pardon Mr. Nixon to focus on solving an economic crisis, distrust of government, ending Vietnam war, and having to deal with USSR. Prosecuting Mr. Nixon would have caused a great internal division at hot times of the Cold War.
I don't think there's any prospect of the Nixon pardon being repeated in the current climate. Not least because I doubt at this stage President Biden would still be in office by the time this whole thing has played out!

On the other hand, by their actions, the Democrats have shown that they are desperate to get Donald Trump by any means necessary. I doubt if they were to get their man, that they'd then want to then pardon him. They want him in prison!

The putative reason for the search is the espionage act, but at this stage it's hard not to think it's related to the ongoing Jan 6 investigations and/or those relating to President Trump's financial affairs. Especially given the unnecessarily heavy-handed nature of the raid.

It should be of grave concern that the Democrats are willing to use the law in this way to achieve their political goals. We're used to seeing the likes of Vladimir Putin going after opposition in a similar vein. What's even more depressing is Kevin McCarthy declaring Merrick Garland should "clear his calendar" in the event of the expected Republican victory in the midterms.

Ultimately it is all just evidence of a decaying democracy, until now it's only really been banana republics and quasi dictatorships where the victors of elections use the law, or in this case the justice department, to go after the other side.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Never thought I would quote Fox News host Laura Ingraham in a positive way.

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Fox News host Laura Ingraham today said Americans might be ready “to turn the page” on former President Trump as he decides whether to run for president a third time.
"Americans Exhausted By the ‘Constant Battle’".
Maybe Rupert has been whispering in her ear?
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This is the point. All this latest episode has done is provide the perfect platform for which President Trump to announce his running for 2024!
The Dem strategy is, to support extremist Rep candidates in order to drive centrists away from the, they even campaign for them in the primaries. Same with the phony attempt to federally legislate abortion a couple months ago.

The same may be behind the FBI raid, radicalise Trump supporters even more to keep a more centrist candidate from getting built up. And if luck permits, ban Trump before 2024.

Of course the Dems won't mind that the Jan 6 proceedings give them deep insight into how the Reps work, and who in their own ranks may be working for them.

It all just goes to show how corrupt the entire system has become, it's all about power and power only. Sod the state/federation let alone the plebs.
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