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I know people who were on the receiving end of some very real life Stasi actions. The kind of stuff where they were threatened that their kids would be taken to a state home. But I am sure you were just making a rhetorical point.
Yeah, they are awful, but after the Gestapo, the corrupt weimar republic police, and the prussian police state……the east germans probably weren‘t terribly shocked to have the Stasi.

They didn‘t ruin the trust in the system as the people had no trust in the institution to begin with. They basically just got a new warden

The FBI and DOJ were traditionally trusted institutions, but support amongst republicans and independents fell, even before this raid. If people don‘t trust the union of the states, then there is really a point when a divorce will be inevitable
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The FBI and DOJ were traditionally trusted institutions, but support amongst republicans and independents fell, even before this raid. If people don‘t trust the union of the states, then there is really a point when a divorce will be inevitable
Maybe. One can ask whether this is more because of the factual actions of DOJ/FBI or because of the social media driven polarization.

Here some recents polling data how people think about the search and related investigation. There are different ways to read this so I will spare you my cherry picking and let you do yours.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/poli...gust-9-12-2022
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as expected, Liz Cheney was absolutely drubbed. She lost her primary by almost 40%.

Deservedly so by the way
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as expected, Liz Cheney was absolutely drubbed. She lost her primary by almost 40%.

Deservedly so by the way
Hilarious. A hardcore conservative an basically every issue voted out by wanna-be conservatives that deny election outcomes. The GOP in uts current shape is a bunch of lunatics and grifters.
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Old 17.08.2022, 08:52
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Hilarious. A hardcore conservative an basically every issue voted out by wanna-be conservatives that deny election outcomes. The GOP in uts current shape is a bunch of lunatics and grifters.
I don't get how this is so controversial. Wyoming voted for Trump with nearly 70% of the vote. It was his biggest margin in 2020. Wyomng also only has one representative. Literally the same people who voted for Trump voted for her. (even though she underperformed him slightly) She was also voted in when trump won the election.

She didn't represent her constituents, so she is out. It doesn't matter if she mostly agreed with Republican positions. If you cheat on your wife one time, should she take you back?

She's a self-aggrandizing, camera loving, narcissist and I think the rural people of Wyoming do not like this type of characters
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Old 17.08.2022, 09:50
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as expected, Liz Cheney was absolutely drubbed. She lost her primary by almost 40%.

Deservedly so by the way
Good, now she will have plenty of time to work on her goal of ensuring Trump is never elected again.
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Old 17.08.2022, 09:52
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I don't get how this is so controversial. Wyoming voted for Trump with nearly 70% of the vote. It was his biggest margin in 2020. Wyomng also only has one representative. Literally the same people who voted for Trump voted for her. (even though she underperformed him slightly) She was also voted in when trump won the election.

She didn't represent her constituents, so she is out. It doesn't matter if she mostly agreed with Republican positions. If you cheat on your wife one time, should she take you back?

She's a self-aggrandizing, camera loving, narcissist and I think the rural people of Wyoming do not like this type of characters
Courageous in that she did not want to represent a delusional cult that believe the 2020 election was fraudulent without any evidence at all.
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Good, now she will have plenty of time to work on her goal of ensuring Trump is never elected again.

She will get a job on CNN or MSNBC and may interview some politicians in the future. This is the closest she will get to congress ever again.
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Cheney and her scumbag warmongering corrupt father are far worse than Trump, the Cheney family has real blood on their hands
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Cheney and her scumbag warmongering corrupt father are far worse than Trump, the Cheney family has real blood on their hands
and deluded.....now she is thinking of running for president

Either she is truly deranged and a full on narcissist or she made an arrangement with the corrupt part of the GOP establishment to kamikaze her career and (try to) damage DJT politically to clear the way for someone else they want to run in 2024. But she will be taken care of on the backside as a paid political contributor, paid speeches, etc. I fully expect she will launch a campaign. A PAC will be set up with dark money that will enable her to live a cushy life for the next decade as she pretends to be campaigning while living tax free off the PAC money.
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Old 17.08.2022, 15:24
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and deluded.....now she is thinking of running for president

Either she is truly deranged and a full on narcissist or she made an arrangement with the corrupt part of the GOP establishment to kamikaze her career and (try to) damage DJT politically to clear the way for someone else they want to run in 2024. But she will be taken care of on the backside as a paid political contributor, paid speeches, etc. I fully expect she will launch a campaign. A PAC will be set up with dark money that will enable her to live a cushy life for the next decade as she pretends to be campaigning while living tax free off the PAC money.
Why not?
The US is full of voters who are happy to send donations to political organizations without any guarantee or control over what or where the money will be spent on.
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I don't get how this is so controversial. Wyoming voted for Trump with nearly 70% of the vote. It was his biggest margin in 2020. Wyomng also only has one representative. Literally the same people who voted for Trump voted for her. (even though she underperformed him slightly) She was also voted in when trump won the election.
It's quite telling actually that the vote for Harriet Hageman broadly aligned with the vote for Donald Trump in the last election. Also too that almost all the Republicans that voted to impeach President Trump will not be standing for reelection.

It's remarkable how in a representative democracy politicians can be so out of touch with their constituents. There was a similar situation before the last election in the UK when many politicians did everything in their power to block Brexit then appeared utterly stunned when almost each to a man/woman lost their seat in Parliament.

I suppose there's still some politicians who simply believe Edmund Burke's view (below), that it is their obligation to make their own choices. This however is from a time when politicians were so detached from the little people and it simply doesn't wash anymore in the Information Age.

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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Things may happen due to the dumbest causes:

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The former president’s current legal team includes a Florida insurance lawyer who’s never had a federal case, a past general counsel for a parking-garage company and a former host at far-right One America News

“Everyone is saying no,” said a prominent Republican lawyer, who like some others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential
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Trump's team say they're the greatest legal team on the US:

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“The President’s lead counsel in relation to the raid of his home, Jim Trusty and Evan Corcoran, have decades of prosecutorial experience and have litigated some of the most complex cases in American history," Budowich said. “President Trump is represented by some of the strongest attorneys in the country, and any suggestion otherwise is only driven by envy.”
However, being Trump's attorney is a extreme sport:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...yers-fbi-raid/
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Things may happen due to the dumbest causes:

Trump's team say they're the greatest legal team on the US:

However, being Trump's attorney is a extreme sport:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...yers-fbi-raid/
"“The President’s lead counsel in relation to the raid of his home, Jim Trusty and Evan Corcoran"

Makes sense, Jim Trusty was formerly of DOJ’s organized crime section so a Mafia crime expert, and Evan Corcoran, who represented former Trump adviser Steve Bannon in his losing battle against the DOJ.

I hope they got paid upfront, rumour has it that Trump does not pay lawyers who do not win their cases.
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I don't get how this is so controversial. Wyoming voted for Trump with nearly 70% of the vote. It was his biggest margin in 2020. Wyomng also only has one representative. Literally the same people who voted for Trump voted for her. (even though she underperformed him slightly) She was also voted in when trump won the election.

She didn't represent her constituents, so she is out. It doesn't matter if she mostly agreed with Republican positions. If you cheat on your wife one time, should she take you back?

She's a self-aggrandizing, camera loving, narcissist and I think the rural people of Wyoming do not like this type of characters
I think it's controversial because it says out loud what we knew, the GOP no longer cares about truth or integrity and will reward someone who will say anything to get in power. Remember that Hageman was an anti-trumper before she wasn't.

I think Cheney and her dad are pretty loathsome but I can't fault her behaviour here; she knew the likely consequences of refusing to repeat the big lie but she did it anyway. I would rather a principled self-aggrandizing, camera loving, narcissist than an unprincipled one.
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Old 17.08.2022, 17:28
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and deluded.....now she is thinking of running for president

Either she is truly deranged and a full on narcissist or she made an arrangement with the corrupt part of the GOP establishment to kamikaze her career and (try to) damage DJT politically to clear the way for someone else they want to run in 2024. But she will be taken care of on the backside as a paid political contributor, paid speeches, etc. I fully expect she will launch a campaign. A PAC will be set up with dark money that will enable her to live a cushy life for the next decade as she pretends to be campaigning while living tax free off the PAC money.
Thinking about it more, Cheney would be the ideal candidate if the GOP ever wants to recover its image as the party of law and order instead of being just a cult that repeats and amplifies every lie that Trump gives them.
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It's quite telling actually that the vote for Harriet Hageman broadly aligned with the vote for Donald Trump in the last election. Also too that almost all the Republicans that voted to impeach President Trump will not be standing for reelection.

It's remarkable how in a representative democracy politicians can be so out of touch with their constituents. There was a similar situation before the last election in the UK when many politicians did everything in their power to block Brexit then appeared utterly stunned when almost each to a man/woman lost their seat in Parliament.

I suppose there's still some politicians who simply believe Edmund Burke's view (below), that it is their obligation to make their own choices. This however is from a time when politicians were so detached from the little people and it simply doesn't wash anymore in the Information Age.
"It's quite telling actually that the vote for Harriet Hageman broadly aligned with the vote for Donald Trump in the last election."

It is indeed, in the presidential election there were voters from all parties. In this GOP primary, there were only Republicans so it is obvious a lot who had voted for Trump did vote for Cheney this time around.
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She's a self-aggrandizing, camera loving, narcissist and I think the rural people of Wyoming do not like this type of characters
Yeah exactly - that's why Trump won the state by 40 points.
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Thinking about it more, Cheney would be the ideal candidate if the GOP ever wants to recover its image as the party of law and order instead of being just a cult that repeats and amplifies every lie that Trump gives them.

She is going to oblivion
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She's a self-aggrandizing, camera loving, narcissist and I think the rural people of Wyoming do not like this type of characters
Have you not seen or read anything Trump has said? He fits all of that to a T and they DO like that type of character.

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...A PAC will be set up with dark money that will enable her to live a cushy life for the next decade as she pretends to be campaigning while living tax free off the PAC money.
This is actually what Trump is doing right now. Because he hasn't officially declared his candidacy, his super PAC can raise virtually unlimited amounts of cash and do whatever they want with it. Pay his legal bills, buy another golf course, you name it. Even the RNC can pay his legal bills for now. However, once he declares officially, there are rules.

So Cheney could start and run a super PAC in the near term, but once she formally declared she'd be in the same boat as Trump with additional rules kicking in.

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Why not?
The US is full of voters who are happy to send donations to political organizations without any guarantee or control over what or where the money will be spent on.
That. Trump's coffers get filled every month by people who set up their accounts for automatic withdrawal.

In terms of money, he's better off not declaring his candidacy for a while. Let the cash roll in, hold rallies where people adore him, pay his bills with other people's money, AND not have to do the job of president. Brilliant!
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