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Old 17.08.2022, 23:26
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Just as an example of how extremely divided the US has become...

A few days ago, I returned home from a trip back to the US. We stayed with my sister in Ohio (near the Michigan border), and at the end of her street were two houses, next to each other. One had Trump-Pence 2024 signs in the front of its yard and right next to it were signs for Biden, including one that said "Make lying wrong again." Apparently, the two neighbors have a bit of a little "war" going on to try to outdo one another with their signage.

What I found most bizarre about it, though, is the Trump-Pence 2024 sign. The last I knew, he hasn't even announced that he's running again.

I also saw a huge pickup truck driving down the street with a large America flag waiving from the back of it as well as a large flag that said "Let's Go Brandon." My Swiss husband said "I bet if someone did that with a flag that says F**K Trump, they'd probably be shot."

Needless to say, it's good to be back home..........
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...What I found most bizarre about it, though, is the Trump-Pence 2024 sign. The last I knew, he hasn't even announced that he's running again....
...and even if he does, it certanily won't be with Pence as running mate!
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Old 18.08.2022, 17:31
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

a) Can you imagine how Pence feels, after he was almost killed? What if they had gotten him? How would have have changed the equation we now have?

b) Rogan says Desantis is "much better" than the orange blob. Uh oh.
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Old 18.08.2022, 17:55
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Trump is going to announce and most likely will be the nominee. Looks like with the "raid", the base is rallying around him. No indictment will change that.
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Old 18.08.2022, 19:21
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Trump is going to announce and most likely will be the nominee. Looks like with the "raid", the base is rallying around him. No indictment will change that.
And while we're at it, people need to forget the fantasy that Trump is going to be sent to jail or be prevented from being the nominee. Unless the Rs turn on him, which seems very unlikely.
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Old 18.08.2022, 19:23
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Trump is going to announce and most likely will be the nominee. Looks like with the "raid", the base is rallying around him. No indictment will change that.
All the more reason to convict and imprison him ASAP. Personally, I think he should be charged with domestic terrorism.

I'm sure he's been spending plenty of time figuring out ways to further commit election fraud in the next election to try to ensure his win. He was clearly unwilling to lose in 2020. Why would 2024 be any different?

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Old 18.08.2022, 20:29
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All the more reason to convict and imprison him ASAP. Personally, I think he should be charged with domestic terrorism.
This is not Russia.
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Old 18.08.2022, 20:35
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Yeah, they are awful, but after the Gestapo, the corrupt weimar republic police, and the prussian police state……the east germans probably weren‘t terribly shocked to have the Stasi.

They didn‘t ruin the trust in the system as the people had no trust in the institution to begin with. They basically just got a new warden

The FBI and DOJ were traditionally trusted institutions, but support amongst republicans and independents fell, even before this raid. If people don‘t trust the union of the states, then there is really a point when a divorce will be inevitable
Just more nonsense about the FBI who are just doing their job.
For example
The FBI today arrested former one-term Democratic Rep. T.J. Cox on dozens of charges related to financial fraud, according to public records with the Fresno County Sheriff’s Office.
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Old 18.08.2022, 21:29
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And while we're at it, people need to forget the fantasy that Trump is going to be sent to jail or be prevented from being the nominee. Unless the Rs turn on him, which seems very unlikely.
Of course his cult of crazies will always vote for him, I just hope enough people are motivated to go and vote against.
He lost the popular vote twice so there are enough normal people out there to sink him again.
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Old 18.08.2022, 21:42
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Of course his cult of crazies will always vote for him, I just hope enough people are motivated to go and vote against.
He lost the popular vote twice so there are enough normal people out there to sink him again.
I don't have the numbers to hand, but something like 83 candidates for the Rs this fall are at the state level and involve offices that deal with elections. It's entirely possible that if elected, these people will continue to believe his narrative and do what they can to ensure he wins. Even state legislatures were trying to come up with ways they could choose presidential electors if they didn't like who the voters chose.
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Old 18.08.2022, 22:20
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I don't have the numbers to hand, but something like 83 candidates for the Rs this fall are at the state level and involve offices that deal with elections. It's entirely possible that if elected, these people will continue to believe his narrative and do what they can to ensure he wins. Even state legislatures were trying to come up with ways they could choose presidential electors if they didn't like who the voters chose.
I completely agree.
I hope there are enough checks and balances in the system to ensure the "will of the people" is respected.
I fear if some people reverse the "will of the people" then there will be violence.

I am just happy I will not be living in the US in 2024/5.
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Old 18.08.2022, 22:24
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This is not Russia.
No, it isn't. But do you think someone should be allowed to incite a violent attack on a government building full of politicians simply because they don't like the results of an election?

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Of course his cult of crazies will always vote for him, I just hope enough people are motivated to go and vote against.
He lost the popular vote twice so there are enough normal people out there to sink him again.
Yeah, I was relieved to find out that my sister's husband, who was once a Trump supporter, no longer supports him and is hoping he won't run again. I don't think Trump has gained any supporters, but he certainly has lost some.
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Old 18.08.2022, 22:36
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No, it isn't. But do you think someone should be allowed to incite a violent attack on a government building full of politicians simply because they don't like the results of an election?
The question is what you can charge, prove and get a jury to convict. Terrorism as a charge is ludicrous.

I do believe it was a coup attempt and he should be tried. I just think it needs to be a sound case as they risk of this backfiring is quite big.
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Even state legislatures were trying to come up with ways they could choose presidential electors if they didn't like who the voters chose.
In about 1/3 of the states, the POTUS electors are bound by nothing but their conscience.
In another 1/3 they're bound by the public vote but there's no penalty if the go against it.
Only in the remaining 1/3 are they bound by the public vote and can be punished for going against it.

Nonetheless the validity of whatever any one elector from the 2nd and 3rd thirds votes may be a different matter. Unfaithful electors are not unheard of.
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I just think it needs to be a sound case as they risk of this backfiring is quite big.
Not sure I agree, after 2 failed impeachments. Any further prosecutions are just additional parts of the obvious witch hunt.
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Old 18.08.2022, 23:21
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In about 1/3 of the states, the POTUS electors are bound by nothing but their conscience.
In another 1/3 they're bound by the public vote but there's no penalty if the go against it.
Only in the remaining 1/3 are they bound by the public vote and can be punished for going against it.

Nonetheless the validity of whatever any one elector from the 2nd and 3rd thirds votes may be a different matter. Unfaithful electors are not unheard of.

Not sure I agree, after 2 failed impeachments. Any further prosecutions are just additional parts of the obvious witch hunt.
Impeachment is not linked to criminal law and it is not a prosecution as such.

Impeachment is the Senate's quasi-criminal proceeding instituted to remove a public officer.

A Former President May Be Indicted and Tried for the Same Offenses for Which He Was Impeached by the House and Acquitted by the Senate
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Old 18.08.2022, 23:27
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In about 1/3 of the states, the POTUS electors are bound by nothing but their conscience.
In another 1/3 they're bound by the public vote but there's no penalty if the go against it.
Only in the remaining 1/3 are they bound by the public vote and can be punished for going against it.

Nonetheless the validity of whatever any one elector from the 2nd and 3rd thirds votes may be a different matter. Unfaithful electors are not unheard of.

Not sure I agree, after 2 failed impeachments. Any further prosecutions are just additional parts of the obvious witch hunt.
Your post about Potus electors is correct but usually, the winning Presidential candidate's slate of potential electors are appointed as the State's electors so are unlikely to vote against their own party.
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The question is what you can charge, prove and get a jury to convict. Terrorism as a charge is ludicrous.

I do believe it was a coup attempt and he should be tried. I just think it needs to be a sound case as they risk of this backfiring is quite big.
I'm not sure why you think a terrorism charge is ludicrous. Did you read the FBI's definition of domestic terrorism that I had posted? I would certainly agree, though, that such a charge is unlikely. However, many of the judges and prosecutors involved have agreed that the attack on the Capitol legally falls under the definition of domestic terrorism. And of course, the man behind the wheel on that is Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...s-jan-6-526407
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Old 19.08.2022, 01:03
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He has no more to do with it--Treasury will have to move.
Trump appeals ruling backing IRS release of tax returns to House to full DC Circuit
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

From todays court hearing
A document unsealed Thursday, which offered specifics about the crimes the Justice Department is investigating, included "willful retention of national defense information,".

Imagine if Trump had declassified a document with locations of all the US military command and control centers, this is still a very valuable document for US enemies. It could now be shared without breaking laws about handling classified information.
It would take years and many billions to move these centers.

What a loose cannon is Trump.

Even worse if he had nuclear warfare defense documents.
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I'm not sure why you think a terrorism charge is ludicrous. Did you read the FBI's definition of domestic terrorism that I had posted? I would certainly agree, though, that such a charge is unlikely. However, many of the judges and prosecutors involved have agreed that the attack on the Capitol legally falls under the definition of domestic terrorism. And of course, the man behind the wheel on that is Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...s-jan-6-526407
Have you read the article you posted? The headline literally is "Why DOJ is avoiding domestic terrorism sentences (sic) for Jan. 6 defendants".

Here a different view that rather sees charges of consipracy to defraud the US and/or obstruction of official proceedings as possible charges:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wha...on-2022-07-22/
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