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Old 01.09.2022, 09:25
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Predictably, the De Santis fans swiftly respond with "but what about the Dems".

Biden was very clear in stating he respected conservative Republicans but had no respect for MAGA Republicans. Which in my view is a perfectly fine position.
He may as well have said he red Republicans are "semi-fascist" for the difference it makes. MAGA Republicans make up the majority of Republicans these days. It should be of concern that the President is now using the language which until recently had only been used by the extreme wing of the party.
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Old 01.09.2022, 09:35
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Trump's legal team has made a new legal filing in their Special Master case. Basically, they claim an ex-President is allowed to have classified documents at home although there is no evidence of previous ex-presidents doing this.

"In a head-spinning pivot, Trump's legal team effectively argued that no one should be shocked he had classified documents at his home -- he was once president, after all."

Notably, they did not repeat Trump's multiple claims he had declassified the documents.
Strangely Trump's new addition to his legal team former Florida Solicitor General Chris Kise did not sign on to the filing so one wonders what his role is.

Over in Alaska in a special House election, the Dems flipped the seat from the GOP who had held it for half a century. Sarah Palin failed to win despite being an ex-Alaska governor and despite Trump's endorsement which included appearing at an event in Alaska in July to back Palin. There will be another election in November as this special election is only to fill the seat until the end of this session.
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Old 01.09.2022, 10:04
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He may as well have said he red Republicans are "semi-fascist" for the difference it makes. MAGA Republicans make up the majority of Republicans these days. It should be of concern that the President is now using the language which until recently had only been used by the extreme wing of the party.
You mean he should show more understanding for the people who run around in F--- Joe Biden shirts?
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You mean he should show more understanding for the people who run around in F--- Joe Biden shirts?
For a start, wearing a F--- Joe Biden shirts doesn't make someone a fascist, or even a semi-fascist. I'm just going off what the President said he was going to do.
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Old 01.09.2022, 10:48
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

It's a bit sad the Truth Social is not available outside the USA.

Well, Mr. Trump is doing a much needed clarification. He's a tidy guy, documents were carefully stored in carton boxes.

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Old 01.09.2022, 11:00
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If you think the orange slug was bad, there's worse coming. Tim Nichols' op-ed from yesterday--love love love the jacquiries reference!:

https://www.theatlantic.com/newslett...ascism/671289/
It is a good article, thanks. Maybe it is difficult to define fascism (Nichols seems to write about a sort of pre-fascism), and certainly the use of the word heats up emotions. But certainly an extrapolation of the current GOP's direction is likely to lead there.

I think the right strategy is trying to win over Republican moderates, constitutional conservatives and generally independents with (1) kitchen-table issues and (2) by pointing out how insane the MAGA candidates are.
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Old 01.09.2022, 11:02
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It's a bit sad the Truth Social is not available outside the USA.

Well, Mr. Trump is doing a much needed clarification. He's a tidy guy, documents were carefully stored in carton boxes.

Once he is indicted, I will be wondering if he is capable of sticking to "the fifth" in this case here, or whether he will continue to make things worse for himself by running his stupid mouth.
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Old 01.09.2022, 11:03
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It's a bit sad the Truth Social is not available outside the USA.

Well, Mr. Trump is doing a much needed clarification. He's a tidy guy, documents were carefully stored in carton boxes.

Thanks.
"No representatives allowed during the search"
Seems they could watch the whole search live on CCTV and also later from the CCTV recordings.
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Old 01.09.2022, 13:19
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If you think the orange slug was bad, there's worse coming. Tim Nichols' op-ed from yesterday--love love love the jacquiries reference!:

https://www.theatlantic.com/newslett...ascism/671289/
That's just more of the ludicrous "Trump is an incompetent moron who nonetheless and miraculously managed to get the GOP under his thumb. Despite his negative IQ he'll single-handedly turn the US in a fascist country".

Logically he either *is* massively competent, or the allegations are horsemanure. Given where they come from it's obviously the latter.

Thanks for the laugh.
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Thanks.
"No representatives allowed during the search"
Actually that makes sense. You need to minimise the number of eyes when expecting to find highly classified or sensitive material. Those eyes/people will probably need to be authorised/cleared accordingly, that won't apply to the defense.
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Old 01.09.2022, 14:49
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That's just more of the ludicrous "Trump is an incompetent moron who nonetheless and miraculously managed to get the GOP under his thumb. Despite his negative IQ he'll single-handedly turn the US in a fascist country".

Logically he either *is* massively competent, or the allegations are horsemanure. Given where they come from it's obviously the latter.

Thanks for the laugh.
Have you read the article?
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Old 01.09.2022, 15:30
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Have you read the article?
Obviously you didn't.
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Old 01.09.2022, 16:05
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Obviously you didn't.
DeSantis is who the GOP fascists are waiting for to lead them - Trump just brought them out of hiding.

It is a collective movement involving the evangelical right too ...
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So the totally dumb and lazy Trump got them to group together, yet now they are waiting for DeSantis to take the lead instead even though the incompetent Trump obviously minds a lot.

DeSantis meanwhile is enjoying the fruits of his evil machinations.

One can only hope that you don't actually believe this tripe and are trying to troll.

Btw fascism includes taking the Führer's words as the gospel truth. Which is pretty much what you're doing right now with Biden's.
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So the totally dumb and lazy Trump got them to group together, yet now they are waiting for DeSantis to take the lead instead even though the incompetent Trump obviously minds a lot.
You do realize that most of Trump's/king of the idiots followers are also dumb right? He gave the village idiots meaning and a place. They did not have a platform before, but they started to come out of hiding around Palin's entry into politics. (Hooray for her losing yesterday!)

Trump only cares about one person and that's Trump. He's a loose cannon and a massive liability ... any collective movement doesn't want that as their leader. You'd have to be trolling yourself not to recognize that.

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Btw fascism includes taking the Führer's words as the gospel truth. Which is pretty much what you're doing right now with Biden's.
You added this after I quoted you - LOLLLL, if you have read any of my posts, you would know I'm no fan of Biden. I don't listen to half of the nonsense he mumbles on a daily basis. I am against the GOP, but I'm not someone who sees Biden as a politician that shares my same values besides standing up to the ultra right GOP.
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Old 01.09.2022, 17:31
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You do realize that most of Trump's/king of the idiots followers are also dumb right?
Actually they're all troglodytes. The Dem's however are all little Einsteins, no exceptions.
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Trump only cares about one person and that's Trump. He's a loose cannon and a massive liability ... any collective movement doesn't want that as their leader. You'd have to be trolling yourself not to recognize that.
Egotism and egocentrism make collectivism impossible, they're pretty much antipodes.
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LOLLLL, if you have read any of my posts, you would know I'm no fan of Biden. I don't listen to half of the nonsense he mumbles on a daily basis.
Cool.

How then do you characterise in terms of fascism, perhaps rate on a fascism scale from 0-10, an attempt to introduce a Ministry of Truth?
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Old 01.09.2022, 17:32
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Fine, Urs.

Instead of degrees of fascist, we can just call the MAGA GOP authoritarian, nationalist, anti-liberal, anti-conservative and anti-constitutional. As most populist movements, they mostly are defining themselves by what they are against, they have nothing of substance they stand for, and mostly they are driven by anger and resentment.

Can we agree on that?
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The Dem's however are all little Einsteins, no exceptions.
I'm sorry - but who actually thinks that? You are buying into that bi-partisan hostility we've been spoon fed as Americans since we were young. You aren't even American correct? Why in the world would you want to become part of that nonsense?

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How then do you characterise in terms of fascism, perhaps rate on a fascism scale from 0-10, an attempt to introduce a Ministry of Truth?
Could you please expand upon your question a bit more? As I only know the "Ministry of Truth" from Orwell's novel that both sides seem to incorrectly reference in recent times.
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I'm sorry - but who actually thinks that? You are buying into that bi-partisan hostility we've been spoon fed as Americans since we were young. You aren't even American correct? Why in the world would you want to become part of that nonsense?
You do. By smearing most of the Trumpists idiots. Einsteins is obviously an exaggeration, but attempt to comparatively lift yourself up is there nonetheless. Not that that was anything new.

The other questions are simply irrelevant, none is any of your business. Play the ball, not the player - also applies to the above.
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Could you please expand upon your question a bit more? As I only know the "Ministry of Truth" from Orwell's novel that both sides seem to incorrectly reference in recent times.
That's indeed the context I think it should be seen as. What I meant is Biden's attempt to introduce his Disinformation Governance Board. Sorry, I thought that connection was clear enough.
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You do. By smearing most of the Trumpists idiots. Einsteins is obviously an exaggeration, but attempt to comparatively lift yourself up is there nonetheless. Not that that was anything new.

The other questions are simply irrelevant, none is any of your business. Play the ball, not the player - also applies to the above.
You are a genuinely unpleasant person to attempt to converse with, but for some reason I still try anyway ...

Didn't you just state in a previous comment that they were "troglodytes"? I stand by my opinion that Trump's supporters either do not have access to an education, the ability to be educated, or are consumed with fear and hate (all the above may apply). I am not trying to in any way "lift" myself above those people, but I do not fit any of those criteria.

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That's indeed the context I think it should be seen as. What I meant is Biden's attempt to introduce his Disinformation Governance Board. Sorry, I thought that connection was clear enough.
I was not aware of this development as already confirmed before, I am not following or supporting Biden's presidency too closely. I could not gather much info from the heavily biased article as to what this disinformation governance board is actually about.

There has been an insidious amount of disinformation circling around in recent years .. which can be dangerous during a pandemic or war. If this board is attempting to change history/become an administrator of party doctrine/propaganda, than OK - it is a type of "Ministry of Truth" and I'm not OK with it. (I am also not OK with it if it is only Democrats on the board.) But if it is only trying to combat some of the absolute bonkers things I heard and distributed during Covid, fine by me.
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