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Let us agree to disagree here. I have many criticisms to the Democrats, but they are not the ones who want to de-certify elections. Which to me is *the* central point why they are not the same.

And why do I care? I believe without a democratic (small d) and trans-Atlantic America, times will get very dark in Europe also.
We've gone over this before, the Dems were the ones that started it!

Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...40f_story.html

I know in your mind you think the Jan 6 riots were some type of attempted coup when any fair minded assessment can see it was a protest that got out of hand thanks to the complete lack of security at the Capitol that day.

People seem to forget there were violent protests the day President Trump was inaugurated, the difference was the place was full of police that day. Do you seriously think these rioters wouldn't have stormed the capitol if they had been given an opportunity

I guess people just see what they want to see these days!

Violence flares in Washington during Trump inauguration

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1540J7

Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/p...rch/index.html
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We've gone over this before, the Dems were the ones that started it!

Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...40f_story.html

I know in your mind you think the Jan 6 riots were some type of attempted coup when any fair minded assessment can see it was a protest that got out of hand thanks to the complete lack of security at the Capitol that day.

People seem to forget there were violent protests the day President Trump was inaugurated, the difference was the place was full of police that day. Do you seriously think these rioters wouldn't have stormed the capitol if they had been given an opportunity

I guess people just see what they want to see these days!

Violence flares in Washington during Trump inauguration

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1540J7

Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/p...rch/index.html
What part of agree to disagree didn't you understand?
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I guess people just see what they want to see these days!
Of course.

Blaming some on the right for their disagreement on the separation of church and state is blind on one eye in light of Biden's speech where he uses obviously religious terms like "sacred ground", "we’re all created equal" (requires a creator, which is obviously the Abrahamic God), and "God bless you all.". Though he excluded whom he calls MAGA Republicans, in a totally effective move to "heal and unite the country" as heralded by the far left dreamers.

It's a Christian society, that will manifest in all kinds of aspects. The difference is where and to what degree one thinks that's Ok. Biden took his oath of office by swearing on the bible, many a federal justice and congress member will do the same.
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Old 02.09.2022, 16:39
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We've gone over this before, the Dems were the ones that started it!

Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...40f_story.html

I know in your mind you think the Jan 6 riots were some type of attempted coup when any fair minded assessment can see it was a protest that got out of hand thanks to the complete lack of security at the Capitol that day.

People seem to forget there were violent protests the day President Trump was inaugurated, the difference was the place was full of police that day. Do you seriously think these rioters wouldn't have stormed the capitol if they had been given an opportunity

I guess people just see what they want to see these days!

Violence flares in Washington during Trump inauguration

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1540J7

Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/p...rch/index.html
Your claim;
"the complete lack of security at the Capitol that day."

The reality:
"In total, more than 150 officers were injured in the attack: 86 Capitol Police officers reported injuries, the sources said, along with 65 members of the Metropolitan Police Department, Chief Robert Contee testified in January"

As you wrote, "I guess people just see what they want to see these days!"
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Sure, the refusal to accept the election is an abomination. That's good for Trump, bad for everybody else.

What else can you mention that doesn't equally or comparably apply to the Dems? What's christianity for the GOP is CRT and social justice for the Dems for example.

My point is that both are as bad as the other, but only one side gets the flak on here, including from you. It's only "them" that do bad things. And many things only work because they've been labeled usefully, like populism. According to the media that's exlusively a thing on the right even though it's obviously at least as present on the left. Or Biden's claim that the US democracy is under threat from the right exclusively, despite clear authoritarian attempts by himself. I'm pretty sure you'd be outraged like hell if the Ministry of Truth had been attempted under Trump.
everyone has a bias. just some people are more aware of it than others.
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Why don't you read it, or better still, watch it for yourself and make your own mind up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygovCnX8Uw

Asides from the optics, which were dreadful and we'll see the image below an awful lot in the coming weeks and months, in fact, it was all rather Trumpian. One was reminded a little of the ending to Animal Farm.

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Because i don't want to spend 30 min to listen to Biden, if it was Obama (or an eloquent speaker from the Reps) I might invested the time.
So I was hoping for some unbiased media providing some key points. The transcript linked by konsomolez was even better.

Thanks for the picture provided, exactly what I was talking about.
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Because i don't want to spend 30 min to listen to Biden, if it was Obama (or an eloquent speaker from the Reps) I might invested the time.
So I was hoping for some unbiased media providing some key points. The transcript linked by konsomolez was even better.

Thanks for the picture provided, exactly what I was talking about.
For a normal speech I would agree, however when everyone has gotten their knickers in a twist I want to see what all the fuss is all about first hand. As delivery and visuals are also important I prefer to watch than read transcript.
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Let us agree to disagree here. I have many criticisms to the Democrats, but they are not the ones who want to de-certify elections. Which to me is *the* central point why they are not the same.
Removal of meritocracy, a market driven economy and capitalism are no less of a threat. Communists slaughtered many millions in the last century, perhaps even more than a hundred million, and not one country succeeded with it. Not sure how many more bodies people need to accept that it doesn't work.

Yes, there can be no doubt that we'll feel the consequences of whatever happens.

Just like we suffer the brunt of the consequences of Biden's powerplay against Russia in the form of price increases even the biggest pessimist would have laughed at as recent as a few years ago. That's something I could easily do without. Have it meet an energy mix/supply that's already stretched to the limit and the result is what we see now, and will see in the near future.
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So I was hoping for some unbiased media providing some key points. The transcript linked by konsomolez was even better.
You can probably read transcripts of all recent presidential speeches at WH website. And with higher accuracy, these are the official versions.
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For a normal speech I would agree, however when everyone has gotten their knickers in a twist I want to see what all the fuss is all about firsthand. As delivery and visuals are also important I prefer to watch than read the transcript.
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It makes me chuckle as they've done everything they can to make him out as a nursing home patient and apparently he's now the next Mussolini.
Ï agree, people have moved from "he is incapable of making a coherent speech" to "this I must watch".

Former Attorney General (for Trump) William Barr appeared on Fox News today, the article also links to a video of Barr's interview.

Some Barr quotes
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"The facts are starting to show that they [the DOJ] were being jerked around… how long do they wait?"
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"I frankly am skeptical of this claim that ‘I declassified everything,’ because, “I think it’s highly improbable, if in fact he sort of stood over scores of boxes, not knowing really what was in them, and said I hereby declassify everything in here, that would be such an abuse and show such recklessness that it’s almost worse than taking them.”
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Bill Barr slams Trump's special master request as 'red herring'
You can read the full list of seized documents here.
The list includes 90 empty folders that had contained classified documents.
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Removal of meritocracy, a market driven economy and capitalism are no less of a threat. Communists slaughtered many millions in the last century, perhaps even more than a hundred million, and not one country succeeded with it. Not sure how many more bodies people need to accept that it doesn't work.
Donald Trump stands for meritocracy. And Joe Biden stands for communism. Is this your point?
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Removal of meritocracy, a market driven economy and capitalism are no less of a threat. Communists slaughtered many millions in the last century, perhaps even more than a hundred million, and not one country succeeded with it. Not sure how many more bodies people need to accept that it doesn't work.

Yes, there can be no doubt that we'll feel the consequences of whatever happens.
Wait a min.....does that mean we're victims suffering the consequences of whatever happens?

I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my delusions of agency and embrace victimism
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Donald Trump stands for meritocracy. And Joe Biden stands for communism.
I didn't expect you to see reason that quickly.
Actually I'm somewhat suprised to see you call him a communist. But Ok, your call.
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Wait a min.....does that mean we're victims suffering the consequences of whatever happens?

I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my delusions of agency and embrace victimism
We're participants, some more willing than others.
But obviously it's the US calling the shots, not Europe.
It's Biden who declared Russia's decapacitation the aim in Ukraine, not Europe.
It's Europe that bears much stiffer energy price increases than the US. I'm not aware of significant heating or industrial production problems in the US because of the sanctions.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

I think it's a given that to support Trump you have to be one of the following:
  1. Highly ignorant and/or uneducated about Trumps motives, history and his political policies
  2. A disenfranchised and/or delusional conspiracy theorist
  3. A person of low moral fibre
  4. A person with right-wing authoritarian tendencies who is fine seeing democracy eroded and civil rights turned back decades

I would highly doubt that there is a single exception to this on or off of the forum.
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I think it's a given that to support Trump you have to be one of the following:
  1. Highly ignorant and/or uneducated about Trumps motives, history and his political policies
  2. A disenfranchised and/or delusional conspiracy theorist
  3. A person of low moral fibre
  4. A person with right-wing authoritarian tendencies who is fine seeing democracy eroded and civil rights turned back decades

I would highly doubt that there is a single exception to this on or off of the forum.
You forgot to include the social media influencing trolls working at some nefarious state sponsored organisations in St Petersburg whose mission in life is to make Russia great again by undermining western democratic values.
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I think it's a given that to support Trump you have to be one of the following:
  1. Highly ignorant and/or uneducated about Trumps motives, history and his political policies
  2. A disenfranchised and/or delusional conspiracy theorist
  3. A person of low moral fibre
  4. A person with right-wing authoritarian tendencies who is fine seeing democracy eroded and civil rights turned back decades
Objectively, you are also likely to be a white evangelical Protestant voter who attends religious services frequently.

More than eight-in-ten White evangelical Protestant voters who attend religious services frequently (85%) voted for Trump in the most recent election, as did 81% of those who attend less frequently.

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Donald Trump stands for meritocracy. And Joe Biden stands for communism. Is this your point?
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I didn't expect you to see reason that quickly.
I take that as a yes. Hilarious.
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I think it's a given that to support Trump you have to be one of the following:
  1. Highly ignorant and/or uneducated about Trumps motives, history and his political policies
  2. A disenfranchised and/or delusional conspiracy theorist
  3. A person of low moral fibre
  4. A person with right-wing authoritarian tendencies who is fine seeing democracy eroded and civil rights turned back decades

I would highly doubt that there is a single exception to this on or off of the forum.
don't forget all the people who simply don't agree with the open borders / soft on crime / identity politics approach and see trump as the lesser of two evils.
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Objectively, you are also likely to be a white evangelical Protestant voter who attends religious services frequently.
These may tick the "all of the above" box?

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don't forget all the people who simply don't agree with the open borders / soft on crime / identity politics approach and see trump as the lesser of two evils.
Don't you know that in the Royal Navy you have to choose the lesser of two weevils !!


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don't forget all the people who simply don't agree with the open borders / soft on crime / identity politics approach and see trump as the lesser of two evils.
And just like that President Biden gave the green light to attack his opponent's voters en masse. It started with Hillary Clinton and the "basket of deplorables" and now it's just been normalized by the sitting President.

To think people believe it's Donald Trump that is a threat to democracy
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