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Well, I'm sorry, but I do think it requires a certain amount of stupidity and ignorance to be a Trump-supporter. And he's very well-aware of what kind of "hold" he has over them and on the GOP in general.

I don't think stupidity is the right word. Ignorance is much much closer to the reality of the average Trump supporter. That and the ability to believe what they WANT to believe instead of truth and facts.

The other thing that I find fascinating, is that 20 years ago the conventional wisdom would have been that the Democrats would support an authoritarian figure before a Republican. That turned out to be so wrong.

The Republicans are so afraid that since they are the minority in population their way of life will change, they are willing to support anyone that promises to keep the minority in power.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

And the GOP campaigns are very effective and well thought through by the strategists. If Trump had not f---ed up the GA senate campaign, the GOP would have majority already.

If the economy goes to shit and independents cool off on Biden, the GOP could come close to power again - even if they represent 35% of the population maybe.

Stupidity in the voters, yes sure. But calling them that is not far from the "deplorables" statement which was a big own goal.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

The basket of deplorables statement was fairly accurate in my opinion and whilst I can see why many would say it was ill-advised, I'm not sure it resulted in Clinton losing many votes. I think alot of people in the States hated Clinton and were only too happy to vote for Trump but I think those people made up their minds before she uttered those words.
Where she really fell down is with democratic voters that didn't like her, but assumed she'd win regardless and so didn't bother voting.
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Old 06.10.2021, 18:20
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Lambasting Forbes for dropping him from its list of the four hundred richest Americans, Donald J. Trump claimed that the magazine did not take into account what he called “secret rubles.”

“Let’s say someone has been receiving payments of billions of rubles for four years, and they’re buried in a vault under the Kremlin,” Trump said. “Those losers at Forbes wouldn’t begin to know how to count those kinds of rubles.”
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Lambasting Forbes for dropping him from its list of the four hundred richest Americans, Donald J. Trump claimed that the magazine did not take into account what he called “secret rubles.”

“Let’s say someone has been receiving payments of billions of rubles for four years, and they’re buried in a vault under the Kremlin,” Trump said. “Those losers at Forbes wouldn’t begin to know how to count those kinds of rubles.”

The Trump Ego strikes again!

So he basically just said that Russia has been making secret payments to him and that he has even more undeclared foreign income that he's not been paying taxes on.
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The basket of deplorables statement was fairly accurate in my opinion [...]
"In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane."
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The Trump Ego strikes again!

So he basically just said that Russia has been making secret payments to him and that he has even more undeclared foreign income that he's not been paying taxes on.
Maybe you missed this bit at the top of that page...:

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Maybe you missed this bit at the top of that page...:
To be fair, most of his presidency seemed like satire and you had to blink a few times to correctly read the headlines he made to make sure they weren't.
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Maybe you missed this bit at the top of that page...:
And so I did. (But jeez, could they even make that any less noticeable?).

I honestly can see Trump saying something like that, though.
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Old 07.10.2021, 23:02
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I wonder if he's started repaying on all of those loans yet... I know they were supposed to come due very soon.

Regarding him potentially running in 2024, I've really been hoping he would just go away...

"like a miracle."
Since you ask, debt carried by former President Trump's business has increased by about $200 million since he left office in January, bringing the total amount to $1.3 billion, Forbes reported on Thursday.

Forbes also reported that Trump has more than $730 million of debt he will need to pay in the next three years, including a $100 million loan on Trump Tower due in September and a $285 million loan due in November 2022, which is Trump's 30 percent share of debt on a New York skyscraper.

In 2023 and 2024, Trump will owe an additional estimated $353 million on various properties, which could be a significant financial burden should he choose to mount another White House bid.

So long as Trump has enough smart financial people juggling the loans and his funds he will likely survive OK unless circumstances arise where he is forced to sell some properties at distress prices.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

DJT moved from owning physical real estate to owning space in people's minds. The story used to be about who is on the list but this time all everyone seems to be concerned about is who is not on the list.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

I still don't know why this is about Trump, it should be about Trumpism. Even if the orange guy was to drop dead tomorrow, the dangers to the US democracy would remain, or perhaps even be greater. Trump has simply made a roadmap to the end of the US experiment.

What I don't understand is how the Dems remain so calm, complacent and worst of all, fragmented as the crucial midterms approach...they are 13 months out from the authoritarian Abyss, and the likes of Manchin and Sinema will sink them.

Once the rich and educated start fleeing the country, there is no going back.
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And so I did. (But jeez, could they even make that any less noticeable?).

I honestly can see Trump saying something like that, though.
It has happened to me too with The Borowitz Report Perhaps they are purposely trying not to be The Onion.

One of my favorite subs on Reddit is r/nottheonion & the headlines are indeed true even though they read of satire and Trump is a regular.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/
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What I don't understand is how the Dems remain so calm, complacent and worst of all, fragmented as the crucial midterms approach...they are 13 months out from the authoritarian Abyss, and the likes of Manchin and Sinema will sink them.

Once the rich and educated start fleeing the country, there is no going back.
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The basket of deplorables statement was fairly accurate in my opinion and whilst I can see why many would say it was ill-advised, I'm not sure it resulted in Clinton losing many votes. I think alot of people in the States hated Clinton and were only too happy to vote for Trump but I think those people made up their minds before she uttered those words.
Where she really fell down is with democratic voters that didn't like her, but assumed she'd win regardless and so didn't bother voting.
Politicians should have the common sense not to utter whatever crosses their mind. Especially them. She should have known better. IMHO, obvious.
She didn't lose because of that but....
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I still don't know why this is about Trump, it should be about Trumpism. Even if the orange guy was to drop dead tomorrow, the dangers to the US democracy would remain, or perhaps even be greater. Trump has simply made a roadmap to the end of the US experiment.
Ok, I bite.

What's that roadmap?
And who wrote it, considering Trump's supposed to completely lack intelligence?
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Ok, I bite.

What's that roadmap?
And who wrote it, considering Trump's supposed to completely lack intelligence?

The roadmap was written by a guy named Eastman.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/21/p...emo/index.html

The second part of the road map is starting in some of the state legislatures where laws are being changed giving the legislature the ability to over ride election results and seat their own electors for the electoral college.

Pence wanted to not accept the electors, but the way the law is written he had no choice but to accept the electoral college results. If a few states had "alternate" electors the results could have been completely different.
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The roadmap was written by a guy named Eastman.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/21/p...emo/index.html

The second part of the road map is starting in some of the state legislatures where laws are being changed giving the legislature the ability to over ride election results and seat their own electors for the electoral college.

Pence wanted to not accept the electors, but the way the law is written he had no choice but to accept the electoral college results. If a few states had "alternate" electors the results could have been completely different.
Wait, some guy supposedly(!) concocts up some scenario (i.e. is basically thinking out loud), which may or may not be lawful, and all of a sudden it's a roadmap or even a plan?

kiwiguy08 is right, it's definitely hyperbole Friday.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

It wasn't just "some guy". This was one of Trump's close advisors.

Not sure why you call it hyperbole.

Pence has admitted that he sought out guidance from multiple people whether or not he could follow what the memo outlined. The reason why he could not is because there were no competing electors that he could accept.
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Wait, some guy supposedly(!) concocts up some scenario (i.e. is basically thinking out loud), which may or may not be lawful, and all of a sudden it's a roadmap or even a plan?

kiwiguy08 is right, it's definitely hyperbole Friday.
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