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Yes, I don't judge matters through raw emotion. People are taught in school not to do this, and for good reason too! Political discourse for a start would be far more constructive if emotion was removed.
It's called empathy. You should try it sometime.
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Psychopathic criminals can switch empathy off and on, research suggests
https://www.bjfm.co.uk/psychopathic-...earch-suggests

Psychopaths ‘have empathy switch’
https://www.restorative-communicatio...mpathy-switch/

"Psychopaths do not lack empathy, rather they can switch it on and off at will, according to new research, which could explain how psychopaths can be both callous and charming."
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Yes, I don't judge matters through raw emotion. People are taught in school not to do this, and for good reason too! Political discourse for a start would be far more constructive if emotion was removed.
There seems to be a shit-ton of emotion in politics when women are being told what to do with their bodies.
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You realise that the "officials" were the "senior officials in the DeSantis administration" whereas the source in marton's article was the Sheriff? Which source is more likely to provide a "convenient" back-story to make the stunt look good not to mention cover their collective ass now that the heat of the law has been turned up?

All triumphantly reported by Fox News. LOL...
So you're just going to disregard the account from the officials that planned and executed the entire stunt simply because you don't want to believe them and you don't like Fox News? That's a perfectly rational POV
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Likewise, you say you have worked with immigrants for the majority of your life, what's that even got to do with the situation at the southern border? I've also worked with immigrants and refugees in Switzerland, however I don't think that makes me particularly better qualified to solve the issue of mass people movements!
Did you not read the rest of statement where I said I worked with immigrants at the southern border? I know exactly what kind of situations they are escaping, how vulnerable they are and that they are largely an incredibly hard working & family oriented people.
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So you're just going to disregard the account from the officials that planned and executed the entire stunt simply because you don't want to believe them and you don't like Fox News? That's a perfectly rational POV
You said I was disregarding it, I didn't. Using that "emotionless" judgement you so favour, I just look at which comes across as the most reliable, not to mention plausible.
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Did you not read the rest of statement where I said I worked with immigrants at the southern border? I know exactly what kind of situations they are escaping, how vulnerable they are and that they are largely an incredibly hard working & family oriented people.
So what's your solution to the southern border crisis?
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Old 20.09.2022, 14:45
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Did you not read the rest of statement where I said I worked with immigrants at the southern border? I know exactly what kind of situations they are escaping, how vulnerable they are and that they are largely an incredibly hard working & family oriented people.
At the same time, we make carnes asadas in the front lawn with loud banda music, lots of amigos and after midnight. Not the best way to integrate in nice neighborhoods

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Yes, I don't judge matters through raw emotion. People are taught in school not to do this, and for good reason too! Political discourse for a start would be far more constructive if emotion was removed.
Forgetting about emotions is a risky thing. Speaking English in the USA is just a matter of sentiments and emotions. It's not in the law
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Old 20.09.2022, 14:48
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You realise that the "officials" were the "senior officials in the DeSantis administration" whereas the source in marton's article was the Sheriff? Which source is more likely to provide a "convenient" back-story to make the stunt look good not to mention cover their collective ass now that the heat of the law has been turned up?

All triumphantly reported by Fox News. LOL...
One thing everybody agrees on is they came from San Antonio so nowhere near the border.

I am sure that these officials who, like DeSantis, live two thousand Km from San Antonio have a very good idea of how those migrants lived, much better than someone who lives in San Antonio

Domingo Garcia, national president of the Washington, D.C.-based League of United Latin American Citizens, said Saturday that his group is offering a $5,000 reward for information leading to the identification, arrest, and conviction of the woman who persuaded the migrants to take the flight.

Video by Miami mayor and an Immigration attorney on DeSantis "massive policy failure".

And finally a tweet from the mayor of Gainsville, FL.

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They will be welcomed, we will use the money to house them and they will add to cultural and economic foundation of our city.
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Old 20.09.2022, 15:00
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Getting too hot in the kitchen?
Know the French expression "QUI S'EXCUSE S'ACCUSE" meaning he who excuses himself accuses himself: making excuses reveals a guilty conscience.

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Former President Trump defended the controversial call he made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger following the 2020 election, saying in a statement on Monday that it was “an absolutely PERFECT phone call.”

The latest defense of the call, which has triggered an investigation in Georgia, follows remarks last week by Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis to The Washington Post that people could face prison sentences as a result of her probe.

Willis also said her team had uncovered credible allegations of serious crimes, although she did not specify who could face a prison term.
Luckily for the free world, we can listen to the phone call ourselves and decide how perfect.
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Old 20.09.2022, 15:04
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So you're just going to disregard the account from the officials that planned and executed the entire stunt simply because you don't want to believe them and you don't like Fox News? That's a perfectly rational POV :roll eyes:
You are disregarding the local sheriff because you love copying and pasting from dubious alt-right web sites.
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So what's your solution to the southern border crisis?
I don't think anyone has a solution do they? But is it too much to ask that the US government follows their own laws and doesn't carry out human rights atrocities while trying to solve it?

Here are some proposed solutions:

https://www.rand.org/blog/2019/05/co...er-crisis.html
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So what's your solution to the southern border crisis?
I think that if there was an easy solution, it would have been done by now. Perhaps some viewed Trump's promised wall to be an easy solution, but clearly it's not that easy. Trump's wall was never built even during the four years that he was in office, and much of what had been built has fallen over and/or crumbled. Not to mention the fact that it's a very expensive project, as the border is almost 2,000 miles long, and it's difficult to justify the cost of that when America's own infrastructure is falling apart and there are so many other areas where that money could be better well-spent.

Perhaps above all else, I think more people need to understand that this is a humanitarian crisis and the main reasons why these people are desperate to leave Mexico. The main reason why they come to the US is to try to improve their economic situations. And the fact is, both documented and undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes each year:

"The vast majority (96.7%) of Mexican undocumented workers are working and contributing to the economy and are vital to critical American industries including agriculture (11.5 percent of the workforce), construction (6.7 percent), and the tourism and hospitality sector (3.4 percent).
Given their productivity and their numbers, Mexican undocumented immigrants are significant economic contributors to the American economy. In 2019 alone, they earned almost $92 billion in household income and contributed almost $9.8 billion in federal, state, and local taxes. "

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Examining the Economic Contributions of Undocumented Immigrants by Country of Origin
https://research.newamericaneconomy....ts-by-country/

Also, the detention centers along the border in the US are primarily privately owned and run and generate huge profits. The companies are contracted by ICE (i.e. the American government) and these companies build, design and operate the facilities. Two of the main companies are CoreCivic and GEO, both of which have strong political influence in regard to immigration policies in the US. Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham have each received thousands of dollars from CoreCivic, and that was only in 2018.

These articles provide pretty good explanations of how American companies and politicians have come to profit from US detention centers along the border:


Who Profits From Migrant Detention in the US?

https://theglobepost.com/2019/08/19/...ant-detention/

How Private Prisons Are Profiting Under the Trump Administration
https://www.americanprogress.org/art...dministration/

So it's a rather complex issue -- more complex than it appears on the surface, at least -- when you consider all the underlying economics that are involved. And I don't think it's an issue that's going to be solved by politicians trying to weaponize the border crisis for political gain or people trying to make it a right versus left issue.

But filling cages with these immigrants and ripping apart their families via ICE raids and separating kids from their parents is not a moral solution. Nor is lying to them and then dumping them off in another part of the US in order to try to piss off Democrats and impress the MAGA crowd. The US likes to pride itself on its humanitarian efforts around the world. It would be pure hypocrisy to try to justify its own abuse of immigrants and refugees.
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You said I was disregarding it, I didn't. Using that "emotionless" judgement you so favour, I just look at which comes across as the most reliable, not to mention plausible.
A sheriff who admits he hasn't yet established the facts and that he doesn't know which laws have been broken is more plausible in your opinion?
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A sheriff who admits he hasn't yet established the facts and that he doesn't know which laws have been broken is more plausible in your opinion?
I know, right?

Which bits do you think he got wrong?
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A sheriff who admits he hasn't yet established the facts and that he doesn't know which laws have been broken is more plausible in your opinion?
LOL! Clutching at straws, more copy/pasting?

The sheriff gave the address where the migrants were living.

Exactly what "evidence" did your officials provide? No photos of the passengers sleeping on the border?

How come nobody from Texas is supporting those wild and lurid claims about the living conditions of these migrants?
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I don't think anyone has a solution do they? But is it too much to ask that the US government follows their own laws and doesn't carry out human rights atrocities while trying to solve it?

Here are some proposed solutions:

https://www.rand.org/blog/2019/05/co...er-crisis.html
according to kamala harris there is no problem as the border is "secure". perhaps that's part of the problem.
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LOL! Clutching at straws, more copy/pasting?

The sheriff gave the address where the migrants were living.

Exactly what "evidence" did your officials provide? No photos of the passengers sleeping on the border?
The center you mention has 600 people capacity. With 600 arriving daily and 500 in need of overnight shelter, even those who have no safe next station will have to leave sooner rather than later.

More straws needed, marton.
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Old 20.09.2022, 18:24
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The center you mention has 600 people capacity. With 600 arriving daily and 500 in need of overnight shelter, even those who have no safe next station will have to leave sooner rather than later.

More straws needed, marton.
It is obvious from the Texas authority's silence on this topic that they are trying to distance themselves from this DeSantis screwup.

Where is Abbott praising DeSantis for rescuing these poor migrants
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