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Old 28.10.2021, 07:42
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29 out of 350 is around 8%, hence a small minority.

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In Switzerland, where having insurance is mandatory by law, there are still 166,000 people estimated to refuse it and are willing to break the law to avoid it. (that's 2% of the population) Compared to the US which has no obligation on its citizens to have insurance.
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It's broken for a small minority of people, NOT the majority!

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I guess we will have to disagree with that. What I see, is that most Americans do not realize how broken the system is until they need it. The system works great as long as you are not going to a Doctor, or need long term medication.
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“In a country where elections are decided on razor-thin margins, does it not benefit one side if their opponents simply drop dead?”
Because of the way presidential races are decided. Only if the death tolls are really going up in the few swing states. It might matter in a state like WI where Biden won by some 20,000 votes. There have been about 10,000 COVID deaths; so there might be some change. But a state like Florida? Probably not. Trump won by about 400,000 votes.

Most places are solidly Republican or Democrat. There are not that many swing areas.
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But a state like Florida? Probably not. Trump won by about 400,000 votes.

Most places are solidly Republican or Democrat. There are not that many swing areas.
With a difference of 400k you only need to change the minds of 210k of the majority to swing the state and win by 20k. In Fla that's some 1.5% of the voters, not really a big difference.
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With a difference of 400k you only need to change the minds of 210k of the majority to swing the state and win by 20k. In Fla that's some 1.5% of the voters, not really a big difference.
Considering the number of retirees in Florida, surely there is a higher turnover of voters as well.
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With a difference of 400k you only need to change the minds of 210k of the majority to swing the state and win by 20k. In Fla that's some 1.5% of the voters, not really a big difference.

You are not wrong, but I do think you are forgetting one thing.

The deaths are not changing any votes; so there is no 2 for 1 swing. Assume that all 60,000 that have died in FL voted for Trump. There would still be 340,000 voters. That does not change your percentage of voters significantly.

The only way I see COVID having an impact on elections would be if suddenly a lot of people on one side of the aisle decided their side was wrong on how COVID was handled. I do not see something like that happening any time soon.
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Old 28.10.2021, 16:30
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With a difference of 400k you only need to change the minds of 210k of the majority to swing the state and win by 20k. In Fla that's some 1.5% of the voters, not really a big difference.
60,000 COVID-19 deaths in Florida so far, fully vaccinated 60%, gives around 8 million not fully vaccinated and about another year to the Governor election.
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Old 28.10.2021, 16:49
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Because of the way presidential races are decided. Only if the death tolls are really going up in the few swing states. It might matter in a state like WI where Biden won by some 20,000 votes. There have been about 10,000 COVID deaths; so there might be some change. But a state like Florida? Probably not. Trump won by about 400,000 votes.

Most places are solidly Republican or Democrat. There are not that many swing areas.
Florida is not solidly anything, over three-quarters of the Governors were Democrats, currently one Senator and ten House members are also Dems, and the Florida Democratic party has more registered voters than the GOP.

Seems to be some anecdotal evidence that some Republican voters who have lost relatives or friends to the coronavirus are changing their views.

Edit; DeSantis won the governor election by just 33,000 votes
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Look at ballotpedia for FLorida. Since 1999 Republicans have held all three branches in the Florida Government.

Right now both of their US Senators are Republicans. One is Marcio Rubio and other is Rick Scott.

I agree that Florida is more "purple" than a state like Indiana. Trump did only win by about 3%, but covid deaths will not make up the difference.

"Seems to be some anecdotal evidence that some Republican voters who have lost relatives or friends to the coronavirus are changing their views."

That line will make a difference, and it goes back to my earlier point of one side deciding that the covid response was a mistake is what will matter.

Other than some semantics, I would say we are in 100% agreement.
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wishing for covid deaths so you can win elections is peak-democrat and macabre as hell

Oh and by the way, Florida has the lowest covid case rate in the country currently
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wishing for covid deaths so you can win elections is peak-democrat and macabre as hell

Oh and by the way, Florida has the lowest covid case rate in the country currently
I would have thought, if anything, it was peak libertarian.
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I would have thought, if anything, it was peak libertarian.

That made me laugh this morning!
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Old 29.10.2021, 21:04
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wishing for covid deaths so you can win elections is peak-democrat and macabre as hell

Oh and by the way, Florida has the lowest covid case rate in the country currently
Actually, it is classic realpolitik.

If the coronavirus does not fade away naturally and becomes endemic due to insufficient levels of vaccinations then it is absolutely not a wish but an inevitable result. Sadly the anti-vaxxers will likely all die sooner or later no matter how much horse medicine they swill down.
Freedom of choice as they say.
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Old 29.10.2021, 21:14
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Actually, it is classic realpolitik.

If the coronavirus does not fade away naturally and becomes endemic due to insufficient levels of vaccinations then it is absolutely not a wish but an inevitable result. Sadly the anti-vaxxers will likely all die sooner or later no matter how much horse medicine they swill down.
Freedom of choice as they say.
I think there is no real need to be concerned. Blacks and hispanics have lower vaccination rates than whites. Good news for Georgia and Texas respectively.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Can the mods or admins please delete these Trump / Biden / Brexit threads? What the hell have they got to do with Switzerland?
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Old 29.10.2021, 22:19
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Can the mods or admins please delete these Trump / Biden / Brexit threads? What the hell have they got to do with Switzerland?
Please note these threads are in the International affairs/politics forum.
By definition, the International affairs/politics forum is nothing to do with Switzerland
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Please note these threads are in the International affairs/politics forum.
By definition, the International affairs/politics forum is nothing to do with Switzerland
Delete that sub forum then . Plenty of space on Reddit for these discussions.
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Delete that sub forum then . Plenty of space on Reddit for these discussions.
Err..... If you don't like, just scroll past. Simple.
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Re: All about Trump and 2024

Thread tools. Drop down. Ignore this thread.

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Alright, marton.

This is your only Trump thread from now until the end of 2024.
ALL things Trump.
Here and only here.

Please, and thanks.
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Did you know that EF is older than Reddit?

Reddit was founded on 23.06.2005
Mark (the founding father) joined EF on 7.05.2005
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