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I think he/she was taking the piss by saying that I think it is called being sarcastic. Not sure though
Given the last line, I think you might be being generous there.
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Some examples:

It started early - His Eton tutor:

“Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cobra-meetings

The Sunday Times quoted one unnamed senior adviser as saying Johnson “didn’t work weekends”, and “there was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning”.

Your turn.
Love the Guardian quote, you really do your research:

“Most Cobra meetings don’t have the prime minister attending them,” Gove said. “That is the whole point.” Cobra meetings were “led by the relevant secretary of state in the relevant area”, he argued.

“Whoever is chairing those meetings reports to the prime minister. The prime minister is aware of all of these decisions and takes some of those decisions. You can take a single fact, wrench it out of context, whip it up in order to create a j’accuse narrative. But that is not fair reporting.”


and you quote an early eton tutor. perhaps something from primary school on how he behaved in the playground as evidence for his work ethic as prime minister?

He may not work a lot, I don't know. But he might well work extremely hard, all you do is loftily say "well the consensus is" like some voice of the people, when your the voice of the Left, in reality.

He works a lot. He is the Prime Minister, its a hard working position. Your personal dislike of him, doesn't affect a job requiring commitment.
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

Hi JackieH


I live in London. Life goes on. Much improved after a long time of Project Fear re Covid and many have had double jabs. In many public places a matter of choice whether to wear face mask or not. I would say very much depends on the area, many are respectful of others.


Re vehicle fuel – media did cause a frenzie. I know of people then filling their tanks when previously they would not. There were long queues with some place running out of fuel (happy for them cash tiles running well). Both this Saturday and Sunday out and about all petrol stations we passed on the buses were open. Prices did peak during the Frenzie, but are now slowly starting to decrease a bit.


No food shortages, but believe some people went with cars to the extra large supermarkets and emptied shelves. Prices on some products have increased and no doubt will continue to increase.


There has never been a food shortage in my area. Only very first lock-down, some media panics over toilet rolls and items like dried pasta. It is a low value item for shops takes a lot of room. There were many people stocking up for the whole year from what we humorously saw. Some shops did sky rocket on certain product items briefly at that time for a few months, but had to come down, as their customers voted with their lack of feet into their shops.


Whilst not a Boris Johnson fan, have no problem with him taking a holiday with his wife and child at this time. We live in modern times he has internet and phone contact with his senior ministers. Where he stays is very important from a security point of view.


I recall years back in Davos during WEF, the then UK PM, went to a restaurant for lunch and had to have umpteen security positioned round abouts. The rest of his team were more free to travel out and about without him.
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

How about tackling the question in the OP- rather than going on about Johnson and his work ethic? Although there are questions to be asked about going on yet another holiday in the middle of the biggest crisis the UK has faced in a very long time. And of course

''Boris Johnson’s spokesman repeatedly refused on Monday to confirm whether the Prime Minister has paid for his own holiday to Marbella, or confirm who else has funded it.


Pushed on the question, Downing Street would only say that the prime minister would disclose any donations he has received, if required to do so, at a later date.

The caginess from Johnson’s spokesman follows reports that the prime minister is currently staying at a villa owned by the Conservative peer Zac Goldsmith.

Goldsmith, who is a close friend of both Johnson and his wife, was handed a peerage by Johnson, despite having been rejected by voters three times in just four years.'' (varied sources). It does look very nice though.
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Love the Guardian quote, you really do your research:

“Most Cobra meetings don’t have the prime minister attending them,” Gove said. “That is the whole point.” Cobra meetings were “led by the relevant secretary of state in the relevant area”, he argued.

“Whoever is chairing those meetings reports to the prime minister. The prime minister is aware of all of these decisions and takes some of those decisions. You can take a single fact, wrench it out of context, whip it up in order to create a j’accuse narrative. But that is not fair reporting.”


and you quote an early eton tutor. perhaps something from primary school on how he behaved in the playground as evidence for his work ethic as prime minister?

He may not work a lot, I don't know. But he might well work extremely hard, all you do is loftily say "well the consensus is" like some voice of the people, when your the voice of the Left, in reality.

He works a lot. He is the Prime Minister, its a hard working position. Your personal dislike of him, doesn't affect a job requiring commitment.
I am the voice of the Left?

Crikey, what shall I do with this new-found power.

I actually was a big fan of Boris when he was doing the standup comedy circuit and appearing on HIGNFY, he's a great personality.

His lack of rigour or ignorance of facts is a problem when PM though, and the UK is doing rather poorly under his stewardship.

You also conveniently omit the fact that during times of national crisis, it isn't entirely unknown for the PM to be in such meetings His blasé attitude to Covid almost cost him his life, but sadly he doesn't seem to have returned a contrite figure.
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How do you see things going- short term up to Christmas and beyond?

As the crisis deepens Johnson has gone of to Spain, to stay at Zac Goldsmiths massive luxury villa. Mind you, perhaps the country is better without him, oder?
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I think it is his 11th since he became PM ... so in such a crisis as now- perhaps timing is not good!

But that is not the question of the OP. So what do you think?

Or in short, would you move back to the UK now?
This is the question you are posing ? I answered it.
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

I see the UK going through a number of consequences, some foreseen, some not.

Be it the worldwide chip shortage, the Europe-wide truck driver shortage, petroleum prices on the rise worldwide, they are not of BoJo’s making. Nor of the Conservative party.

But what is, and will be, important is how the UK Government(s) deal with these issues.

It may be a long cold winter for the UK, but it really will depend on how the Government leads the nation through it’s crises. Sadly, in my opinion, I don’t see BoJo being able to do that. Sadly neither does the labour leader.

It’s going to be an interesting few months.
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I am the voice of the Left?

Crikey, what shall I do with this new-found power.

I actually was a big fan of Boris when he was doing the standup comedy circuit and appearing on HIGNFY, he's a great personality.

His lack of rigour or ignorance of facts is a problem when PM though, and the UK is doing rather poorly under his stewardship.

You also conveniently omit the fact that during times of national crisis, it isn't entirely unknown for the PM to be in such meetings His blasé attitude to Covid almost cost him his life, but sadly he doesn't seem to have returned a contrite figure.
You could start by quoting some facts, but lest us not cloud the waters with such drudgery. Lets just say he's lazy, a buffoon, a terrible PM! You also even more conveniently point out that at the end of all your "he doesn't work" evidence, you've got someone's opinion on whether he should have been at a Covid meeting, to which it appears his attendance was optional

Anyway, let us not joust such differing viewpoints amidst the mere quotations of the Guardian. What kind of contriteness are you looking for from someone who has had Coronavirus ? A particular sorrow perhaps, a life to lead being shy and happy simply to exist ?
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I see the UK going through a number of consequences, some foreseen, some not.

Be it the worldwide chip shortage, the Europe-wide truck driver shortage, petroleum prices on the rise worldwide, they are not of BoJo’s making. Nor of the Conservative party.

But what is, and will be, important is how the UK Government(s) deal with these issues.

It may be a long cold winter for the UK, but it really will depend on how the Government leads the nation through it’s crises. Sadly, in my opinion, I don’t see BoJo being able to do that. Sadly neither does the labour leader.

It’s going to be an interesting few months.
I agree with this. And he's going to be up against it with the media too which makes it much harder because they can instigate things like panic buying by reporting things in a particular mode.
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How about tackling the question in the OP- rather than going on about Johnson and his work ethic? Although there are questions to be asked about going on yet another holiday in the middle of the biggest crisis the UK has faced in a very long time. And of course

''Boris Johnson’s spokesman repeatedly refused on Monday to confirm whether the Prime Minister has paid for his own holiday to Marbella, or confirm who else has funded it.


Pushed on the question, Downing Street would only say that the prime minister would disclose any donations he has received, if required to do so, at a later date.

The caginess from Johnson’s spokesman follows reports that the prime minister is currently staying at a villa owned by the Conservative peer Zac Goldsmith.

Goldsmith, who is a close friend of both Johnson and his wife, was handed a peerage by Johnson, despite having been rejected by voters three times in just four years.'' (varied sources). It does look very nice though.
And then you write about his holiday and friends....

What do you think is next for the UK?
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Be it the worldwide chip shortage, the Europe-wide truck driver shortage, petroleum prices on the rise worldwide, they are not of BoJo’s making. Nor of the Conservative party.
Except these problems are exacerbated in the UK by the policies that Bozo and co. were elected on. The European truck drivers have left the UK, cannot come back as they are no longer welcome, and are not going to be tempted back by a visa which will mean they have to leave again on Xmas Eve, when they can get better pay and conditions on the continent.
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I agree with this. And he's going to be up against it with the media too which makes it much harder because they can instigate things like panic buying by reporting things in a particular mode.
Well I don’t see the ‘media’, which is pretty well controlled by Conservatives, being particularly evil. Their objective is to sell newspapers* and everyone knows that good news doesn’t do that. But if they are not careful they are going to shoot themselves in the foot.

*i.e. make oodles of money for their publishers.
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Except these problems are exacerbated in the UK by the policies that Bozo and co. were elected on. The European truck drivers have left the UK, cannot come back as they are no longer welcome, and are not going to be tempted back by a visa which will mean they have to leave again on Xmas Eve, when they can get better pay and conditions on the continent.
The Conservative manifesto promised an EU referendum.

The people voted to leave.
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You could start by quoting some facts, but lest us not cloud the waters with such drudgery. Lets just say he's lazy, a buffoon, a terrible PM! You also even more conveniently point out that at the end of all your "he doesn't work" evidence, you've got someone's opinion on whether he should have been at a Covid meeting, to which it appears his attendance was optional

Anyway, let us not joust such differing viewpoints amidst the mere quotations of the Guardian. What kind of contriteness are you looking for from someone who has had Coronavirus ? A particular sorrow perhaps, a life to lead being shy and happy simply to exist ?
Non attendance of optional meetings screams workaholic to me. Fair play.
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Except these problems are exacerbated in the UK by the policies that Bozo and co. were elected on. The European truck drivers have left the UK, cannot come back as they are no longer welcome, and are not going to be tempted back by a visa which will mean they have to leave again on Xmas Eve, when they can get better pay and conditions on the continent.
More worryingly is all of us in Europe will be encountering the same issues. With a power vacuum in Germany, independence rumblings in Poland and Hungary, a real lack of leadership from Brussels.

Switzerland, to a certain extent is somewhat immune, but what is happening to our neighbours will have an effect on us.

It will be an interesting winter.
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How about tackling the question in the OP- rather than going on about Johnson and his work ethic?
How about obsessing about something else and stopping your constant moany trolling about how hellish life sounds in the UK? FWIW, I was there for 3 weeks recently and can confirm that the supermarkets are full of food and the panic-buyer petrol queues have disappeared. Crucially, the beer is still glorious.
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The Conservative manifesto promised an EU referendum.

The people voted to leave.
And Labour also promised one in the same (2015) election.
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I'm expecting the EU army at some point to be called in to "restore order". As predicted by Dougal's Breakfast.
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Given the Swiss working week is about 30 mins a day longer than the UK one, I assume we all do.

And that's giving BoJo the benefit of the doubt on working a full week.
I'm fairly sure PM's and Presidents work longer hours than the normal 9-5.
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I'm fairly sure PM's and Presidents work longer hours than the normal 9-5.
I doubt Putin does, nor does good-old what’s his name in N. Korea. The previous US president spent much of his time playing golf.

Nah, I don’t think you can make a broad statement like that
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