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Old 12.10.2021, 09:40
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Now that the EU and Immigrants are getting a bit boring as bogeymen to blame, I do wonder where he'll turn next - probably gingers, everyone could get behind that.
How about fat people? Everyone could get behind that - literally.

Can I see the list of what you think is politically correct (or off-limits)?

You love to haver a go at people on this forum who say something slightly off but you appear to have no problem at having a go at people with a particular colouring (hair and skin) through genetics.
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How about fat people? Everyone could get behind that - literally.

Can I see the list of what you think is politically correct (or off-limits)?

You love to haver a go at people on this forum who say something slightly off but you appear to have no problem at having a go at people with a particular colouring (hair and skin) through genetics.
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Old 12.10.2021, 10:25
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Please not that old canard.

A majority of the people did not vote leave; A majority of the electorate did not vote leave.

Some people voted leave but these represent something like a third of the people
Within the rules of a referendum in the UK there was a 52% majority in favour of leave. We can argue the minutae of whether or not a referendum is advisory and the legality of how the campaigns were conducted or funded but now we live with the consequences.

The manner of departure could have been slightly less catastrophic, e.g. EEA or EFTA membership. But that did not play to the anti-immigration sentiments of architect of the hostile environment, former home secretary Theresa May.
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And then you write about his holiday and friends....

What do you think is next for the UK?

I wrote a long reply and as I pressed submit- it just disappeared!

So, in short, I have no idea, but I am very concerned, and so are my close family and friends in the UK. Hence my question here.

His friends are not 'just friends' and his holiday in the middle of this very serious crisis, is indicative of his 'work ethic' - and to the people who have just lost £20 a week that could make the difference between keeping head just above water, with rising prices- smacks of 'let them eat cake' attitude.

The question about 'would you go back to live there now' is also relevant, I feel. We discuss this often with friends here- and all of them say 'no way- what a mess' - although one would love to if it wasn't for above.
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I wrote a long reply and as I pressed submit- it just disappeared!

So, in short, I have no idea, but I am very concerned, and so are my close family and friends in the UK. Hence my question here.

His friends are not 'just friends' and his holiday in the middle of this very serious crisis, is indicative of his 'work ethic' - and to the people who have just lost £20 a week that could make the difference between keeping head just above water, with rising prices- smacks of 'let them eat cake' attitude.

The question about 'would you go back to live there now' is also relevant, I feel. We discuss this often with friends here- and all of them say 'no way- what a mess' - although one would love to if it wasn't for above.
I don't understand. You would love to go back to the UK if it weren't for the £20 a week benefit cut?
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Old 12.10.2021, 10:56
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

@Mods

Please consider merging this thread into the BREXIT thread as it is just the same gang having the same argument. Thanks.
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Good, we've some common ground. The only difference being i believe he's rubbish and lazy, and you believe he is rubbish and diligent.

Always nice to find a bit of simpatico.

EDIT: to bring back on topic, now we've an agreement of sorts. What next for the UK? I would guess a continued unmanaged decline propped up by the credulous fools Boris relies on for support. Now that the EU and Immigrants are getting a bit boring as bogeymen to blame, I do wonder where he'll turn next - probably gingers, everyone could get behind that.
Yes we agree on the point that I believe he works hard but is not very good at his job.
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Old 12.10.2021, 13:52
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Yes we agree on the point that I believe he works hard but is not very good at his job.
Well that is worth knowing.... neither of you have a clue how long he works, nor what he actually does with his day, but at least you agree on something.
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Well that is worth knowing.... neither of you have a clue how long he works, nor what he actually does with his day, but at least you agree on something.
You have stepped up the meta-pointlessness, congratz.
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Old 12.10.2021, 14:10
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Within the rules of a referendum in the UK there was a 52% majority in favour of leave. We can argue the minutae of whether or not a referendum is advisory and the legality of how the campaigns were conducted or funded but now we live with the consequences.

The manner of departure could have been slightly less catastrophic, e.g. EEA or EFTA membership. But that did not play to the anti-immigration sentiments of architect of the hostile environment, former home secretary Theresa May.
Its pretty clear that for the next general election Tory strategists will try and paint Labour as a rejoiner party with low wages being the main consequence. Starmer is very keen to not play into that narrative by completely refusing to even acknowledge Brexit as a reason for any of our recent woes.

This for me is weak leadership and just like Corbyn he is allowing the Tories to get away with one F-up after the other. The main role of the opposition party is to hold government to account, and here they have fallen short.
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Yes we agree on the point that I believe he works hard but is not very good at his job.
This would make him a good fit for the corporate world.
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This would make him a good fit for the corporate world.
In fairness, he’s made a career out of failing upwards…it’s a skill in itself.
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Please not that old canard.

A majority of the people did not vote leave; A majority of the electorate did not vote leave.

Some people voted leave but these represent something like a third of the people
The majority of people who voted, voted leave. Later in a first past the post General Election, the leave party were voted in.

That's British democracy. Choosing Brexit was stupid. But it was, in the lights of British democracy, democratic. As I say to Brexiteers - you won. Stop whining. (But they don't).
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Bozo's manifesto pledge was to "get Brexit done". He will deliver on that sometime. Pritti 'vacant' Patel ended FOM. Also a manifesto pledge in 2019.

People voted leave. The manner of Brexit was decided by the Maybot and Bozo. Bozo got an 80 seat majority on that basis. The UK public are now reaping the benefits thereof.
Pritti 'vacant'. Love it.

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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

Short term? The UK may have to forego the a consumer Christmas and embrace the "true spirit of Christmas" kind.
Medium term? I expect there will be more disruption and mess and they'll continue to stumble from crisis to crisis.
Long term? I think the potential is there for the UK to find its way, but time will tell.
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In the time frame, I don't think any of the other parties could have made a better job of it.

Do you think they could have?
Sir Ivan Rogers, the original negotiator said his civil service dept used the time after the referendum until May took over to come up with a negotiating strategy that may well have mitigated many of the problems we see now. Something akin to EEA membership or Swiss bilaterals. This was roundly rejected by Theresa “Hostile Environment” May hence the pickle the UK is now in.

Anyway, who set the time frame you describe in the first place?
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Well, I have been nearly three weeks now in the Cotswolds.. an area about the size of central Switzerland and I must concur, their does seem to be an inordinate amount of falsely parked bikes in the villages, a lot of the local tractor driving farmers have a cavalier attitude to driving and I listened to a German and an American having a heated argument over a parking space in Broadway.
But a hotbed of crime?….perleeze…even hand-wringing Guardianistas seem to grudgingly agree that it’s rather pleasant.
I must agree that Streatham or Moss Side among others at 2pm in the morning can be a bit tasty but you don’t feel safe anywhere in the UK? Anywhere?.. you really need to get a life.
FYI, the only time in my life I have been threatened with a knife was in Zurich at Platzspitz by some Swiss smackhead.

I believe you are referring to what was termed a 'terrorist incident' at 2pm on 2nd February 2020 on Streatham High Street, when armed police and security services were imminently on the scene. The man was very quickly shot, as he would not lay down his weapon and it was unclear if he was wearing an explosive vest. The victims all survived.
I was very impressed by the handling and speed of the security services and police at that time for that incident.
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Please not that old canard.

A majority of the people did not vote leave; A majority of the electorate did not vote leave.

Some people voted leave but these represent something like a third of the people
Sorry bowlie, but I'm afraid you'll never win the argument with voting stats. It's true that only 37% of the entire UK electorate voted Leave but wait -- a mere 34% voted to Remain. What does that say about the country's attitude towards EU membership?
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

What does it say about the proven lies, fraud and Russian, etc, interference? Any tiny sign of this would have seen a CH Referendum cancelled- and an open ended Yes or No Referendum, without official and verified factual recommendations by individual parties, and 'pros' and 'cons, officialy given by the Government woule have never ever been put to the people.

More like. So many voted because of what was written on the Red Bus... because they wanted to support the NHS. The list is endless. I know it does not suit your rhetoric and political agenda- but we all know the truth now. Voting stats are meaningless in this context- and the Cons knew a long time ago that a second vote would go against- and now even more so. No-one, but no-one, voted for this mess!

About the Oven Ready deal that was negotiated and signed with every intention of reneging.
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Sorry bowlie, but I'm afraid you'll never win the argument with voting stats. It's true that only 37% of the entire UK electorate voted Leave but wait -- a mere 34% voted to Remain. What does that say about the country's attitude towards EU membership?
I presume it means the remainder were happy enough with the status quo - you can probably argue whatever you want about this.
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