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So, what is next for the UK ?

How do you see things going- short term up to Christmas and beyond?

As the crisis deepens Johnson has gone of to Spain, to stay at Zac Goldsmiths massive luxury villa. Mind you, perhaps the country is better without him, oder?
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How do you see things going- short term up to Christmas and beyond?

As the crisis deepens Johnson has gone of to Spain, to stay at Zac Goldsmiths massive luxury villa. Mind you, perhaps the country is better without him, oder?
He nearly died of COVID, his mother passed away. His wife had a baby.

Isn't he allowed a holiday?
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

I think it is his 11th since he became PM ... so in such a crisis as now- perhaps timing is not good!

But that is not the question of the OP. So what do you think?

Or in short, would you move back to the UK now?
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He nearly died of COVID, his mother passed away. His wife had a baby.

Isn't he allowed a holiday?
The rest of us have to build up holidays by working. He seems exempt from this.
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The rest of us have to build up holidays by working. He seems exempt from this.
I'm pretty sure that he's working more than "the rest of us".
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I think it is his 11th since he became PM ... so in such a crisis as now- perhaps timing is not good!

But that is not the question of the OP. So what do you think?

Or in short, would you move back to the UK now?
Absolutely, in a heartbeat.
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

I mean, that is not the question in the OP - but why don't you?
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

I think the outlook for the UK is better than the long term outlook for the US. The UK can come back, by working out some better trade deals.

I think there will be a lot of short term pain, but things will eventually come to an equilibrium.
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

I think the problems in the UK could have been softened by some forward planning, but higher gas prices and a shortage of HGV drivers are not problems specific to the UK (although by reading the press, you would think they are).

There has been a shortage of truck drivers in Europe for several years. Yes, the government could have been more proactive from an immigration point of view with truck drivers...and farm workers...and hospitality staff...and, and, and... And then they would have been accused of undermining Brexit. So they are really damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Supply chain shortage? Just read an article in the papers here today that Digitec and some other stores are warning about shortages before Christmas. So, not really just a UK problem.

Sometimes I think that mainstream media in the UK, in their search for senstionalism and stories just make matters worse. Contrast that with the national news in Switzerland which is so bland as to put me to sleep without fail...
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I'm pretty sure that he's working more than "the rest of us".
Sadly, evidence would point to the contrary.

Whether its his dodging of the COBRA meetings on Covid that began the UK's criminally poor response, or his fiddling whilst Rome burns in general, the consensus would appear to be that the loquacious scarecrow does sod all that is not of direct benefit to himself or his mates.

You can (possibly) defend Bozza on certain points, but I think if you're trying to use the "work ethic" field in top trumps, you aren't going to win many cards.
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

I don't think I will ever move back to UK, unless I am really desperate. I just don't feel safe there.
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Sadly, evidence would point to the contrary.

Whether its his dodging of the COBRA meetings on Covid that began the UK's criminally poor response, or his fiddling whilst Rome burns in general, the consensus would appear to be that the loquacious scarecrow does sod all that is not of direct benefit to himself or his mates.

You can (possibly) defend Bozza on certain points, but I think if you're trying to use the "work ethic" field in top trumps, you aren't going to win many cards.
bringing some facts into play, his approval rating is 10 percentage points lower than a few months ago but not really worryingly low for him https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-...nited-kingdom/

The conservatives remain ahead in the polls. Of course people can personally not like him and say he's the worst thing to happen since the plague (not you Mr / Mrs BritS, I mean in general) but that tends to be an emotional point of view. From a data based perspective, he's doing ok I would say.
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Sadly, evidence would point to the contrary.

Whether its his dodging of the COBRA meetings on Covid that began the UK's criminally poor response, or his fiddling whilst Rome burns in general, the consensus would appear to be that the loquacious scarecrow does sod all that is not of direct benefit to himself or his mates.

You can (possibly) defend Bozza on certain points, but I think if you're trying to use the "work ethic" field in top trumps, you aren't going to win many cards.
All your points are irrelevant. I just said that he works more than the rest of us. Happy to hear about anyone on this forum that works more than BJ. Also curious about their job in that case.
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All your points are irrelevant. I just said that he works more than the rest of us. Happy to hear about anyone on this forum that works more than BJ. Also curious about their job in that case.
Not sure how my points showing he doesn't work very much are irrelevant, but if you're desperate to canonize the fella, go right ahead.

Given the Swiss working week is about 30 mins a day longer than the UK one, I assume we all do.

And that's giving BoJo the benefit of the doubt on working a full week.
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bringing some facts into play, his approval rating is 10 percentage points lower than a few months ago but not really worryingly low for him https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-...nited-kingdom/

The conservatives remain ahead in the polls. Of course people can personally not like him and say he's the worst thing to happen since the plague (not you Mr / Mrs BritS, I mean in general) but that tends to be an emotional point of view. From a data based perspective, he's doing ok I would say.
This I would say is an irrelevant point to his work ethic.

He actually could shoot someone on Shaftsbury Avenue and the Tories wouldn't lose a significant amount of the vote I would say. I cannot see any way they will not dominate for decades, but let us not conflate popularity and diligence.
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This I would say is an irrelevant point to his work ethic.

He actually could shoot someone on Shaftsbury Avenue and the Tories wouldn't lose a significant amount of the vote I would say. I cannot see any way they will not dominate for decades, but let us not conflate popularity and diligence.
Okay, so apart from disparaging anyone trying to present anything to the contrary, apart from your "he doesn't work" personal opinion do you have any numbers on how much he works?

I think he works a lot.

So your "doesn't work" rubbish is just made up fantasy. Lets not conflate personal opinion with personal opinion though.
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Okay, so apart from disparaging anyone trying to present anything to the contrary, apart from your "he doesn't work" personal opinion do you have any numbers on how much he works?

I think he works a lot.

So your "doesn't work" rubbish is just made up fantasy. Lets not conflate personal opinion with personal opinion though.
You criticize me for unsubstantiated opinion and then come up with the scientific "I think he works a lot".

Cool.
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You criticize me for unsubstantiated opinion and then come up with the scientific "I think he works a lot".

Cool.
I think he/she was taking the piss by saying that I think it is called being sarcastic. Not sure though
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Re: So, what is next for the UK ?

Some examples:

It started early - His Eton tutor:

“Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cobra-meetings

The Sunday Times quoted one unnamed senior adviser as saying Johnson “didn’t work weekends”, and “there was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning”.

Your turn.
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I think it is his 11th since he became PM ... so in such a crisis as now- perhaps timing is not good!

But that is not the question of the OP. So what do you think?

Or in short, would you move back to the UK now?
That wasn't the question either!

Brexit is a bit of a mess but I'm not sure any government would have made less of a hash of it. It was inevitable. The referendum should never have happened - at least without a lot more information up front.
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