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No, it doesn’t. Your argument and that heavily technical article you referenced was to argue that people cannot make rational choices fully until they are 21. Germany - which I can helpfully inform you is a truly first world country, often considered one of the Benchmarks of such, has a age of consent at 14. German has lots of very very clever people in it.

So instead of adopting some high and mighty sneering tone because you happen to quote technical articles how about using your apparent ‘knowledge’ in this area to help me understand why your article says rational decisions can’t be made until 21 n many people and yet no country in the world has age of 21 as an age of consent. What is missing in thÓe logic ?
So, let's start with the beginning: I answered to the folks who commented on the Epstein et. gang cases and argued that those girls knew about and agreed to the prostitution acts. Mighty sneering is a mild and civilised reaction compared to the mighty misogyny exposed plenty of times here.
Please spare me of your sneering comments about Germany, it was you who brought it up and gave it as an example.
Sex with a minor (who may be of legal consent age) might not be judged as rape but it is still illegal in many (most) countries. It means the legislative bodies follow some recommendation(s) here, and that is the fact that minors can be lured and engage into acts when they have no idea about consequences and no power to put an end when psychological and/or physical coercion are used.
Not to mention that prostitution of any kind is illegal in most countries.
Those who say prostitution of underaged people is consensual hence should not be prosecuted have no idea about what they are talking about.

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Old 22.01.2022, 20:37
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I donít suppose it was awfully amusing for the women in question.
I expect so, now that they are looking for major payouts.

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Old 22.01.2022, 20:44
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

Unfortunately Greenmount, I think some do.
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Unfortunately Greenmount, I think some do.
And I'm the "sneering" one.

Oh, well, coming from that direction.....I feel rather proud.
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Old 22.01.2022, 21:06
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

It's only about the money.

As usual.


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Old 22.01.2022, 23:36
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So, let's start with the beginning: I answered to the folks who commented on the Epstein et. gang cases and argued that those girls knew about and agreed to the prostitution acts. Mighty sneering is a mild and civilised reaction compared to the mighty misogyny exposed plenty of times here.
Please spare me of your sneering comments about Germany, it was you who brought it up and gave it as an example.
Sex with a minor (who may be of legal consent age) might not be judged as rape but it is still illegal in many (most) countries. It means the legislative bodies follow some recommendation(s) here, and that is the fact that minors can be lured and engage into acts when they have no idea about consequences and no power to put an end when psychological and/or physical coercion are used.
Not to mention that prostitution of any kind is illegal in most countries.
Those who say prostitution of underaged people is consensual hence should not be prosecuted have no idea about what they are talking about.
Ok so you donít know. In summary.
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Old 22.01.2022, 23:52
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It's only about the money.

As usual.


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You are so right. This is what pimping and procuring is all about (as well as power, over weak and vulnerable people, most often girls but not always).
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Old 23.01.2022, 00:00
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You are so right. This is what pimping and procuring is all about.
Tom's lack of empathy towards young women and trafficking says a lot more about him than the case. It may be best just to ignore his taunts.
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Old 23.01.2022, 00:10
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

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Old 23.01.2022, 03:57
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Ok so you don’t know. In summary.
So I don't know what? That your mighty example Germany which I gathered you want to impose as EU standard bearer has a lax attitude regarding trafficking? So why are you implying that Germany having 14 as the age of consent should be some definite argument in favour of Epstein rape gang. What has Germany to do with the Epstein case anyway? Prostitution is illegal in the USA as far as I gathered from some posts here.
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

So itís playing out as expected. Old Andy has lost the lot title wise so the gloves are off. He wants a jury trial https://news.sky.com/story/prince-an...laims-12526085

She will have her day in court after all, doesnít look like heís in for the out of court settlement approach.
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

That's interesting, and not entirely surprising to me, as I pointed out that he came across in that interview to me as someone who (while oblivious of the way he comes across to ordinary people) thought/portrays himself a decent guy who's made a few bad judgement calls. (No need to tell me he's a prat, I know.)

With Epstein, all this talk of prostitution - never mind loaded, I don't think it's completely accurate. There was a hell of a lot of grooming involved. Talk of some girls' careers, encouragement of other stuff, travelling, lifestyle. And when it did finally come to sex, I'm sure some of these young girls actually believed the first time that all they were going to do was give a massage. It wasn't a contractual exchange for sex. They were lured in. And easily done with some as they were young, impressionable and some had been sexually abused before.
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So it’s playing out as expected. Old Andy has lost the lot title wise so the gloves are off. He wants a jury trial https://news.sky.com/story/prince-an...laims-12526085

She will have her day in court after all, doesn’t look like he’s in for the out of court settlement approach.
Settling out of court just confirms his guilt, but if he's acquitted then there's a path back to redemption. So it makes sense, he's already lost everything that matters to him.
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Settling out of court just confirms his guilt, but if he's acquitted then there's a path back to redemption. So it makes sense, he's already lost everything that matters to him.
If he does as well as he did in his BBC interview, donít think heíll be convincing that jury!
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If he does as well as he did in his BBC interview, donít think heíll be convincing that jury!
I wonder what his attys will do with him...can't put him on the stand because of his entitled tone-deaf attitude, but how to defend such a personal charge without speaking for yourself?
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If he does as well as he did in his BBC interview, donít think heíll be convincing that jury!
If he's put on the stand, might be the first time a civil case turns into a criminal one
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Old 27.01.2022, 10:45
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I wonder what his attys will do with him...can't put him on the stand because of his entitled tone-deaf attitude
How would he/they have a choice in this? If he has to take the stand then he has to take the stand.
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How would he/they have a choice in this? If he has to take the stand then he has to take the stand.
He's trying to call her bluff. Whether its because he's bananas or whether he really is actually even more of a nasty piece of work than it appears, or whether he is innocent of all this and its a witchhunt, he's saying "ok, you have said all this stuff, lets fight". You'd now expect him to get roundly trashed in court and live the rest of his time as a legally-formal pariah rather than the legally-informal one he is now. But he will be well briefed im sure, it wont be the car crash that was Newsnight.

And he might not be guilty, you can't be certain. 99.9999% he is. But what would you have put the Tory Paedophile ring percentage at ? The Police were turning up on telly saying "there's a paedophile ring in the 80's in the tory party, we have the names, we are pursuing prosecution, we will get these people, they are not above the law", until it was all found to be made up. This is different as there are flight records (I think that's more important than the photo because flight records really wont be made up) so he is definitely part of something, but its court now, its not he said / she said stuff. Its the real deal.

If he's guilty in a civil case does that mean the police can re-open a criminal case ? i dont know, but if he is found guilty at the civil level, then surely there is a criminal case to answer ?
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Old 27.01.2022, 11:42
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

One thing's for sure. Prince Andrew won't be asking any of his staff to be character witnesses in his defence.

They all can't stand him.
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If he's guilty in a civil case does that mean the police can re-open a criminal case?
No. Civil case is what you do if there is no criminal case, or a failed one.

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If he is found guilty at the civil level, then surely there is a criminal case to answer ?
No. The burdon of proof is far less for a civil case than a criminal case.

Look up the OJ Simpson case.

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