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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

An interesting constitutional position could potentially occur. If the Queen is incapacitated and cannot perform certain duties, two of the four Council of State stand in. These are currently Princes Charles, William, Harry and Andrew. Charles is isolating with Covid, William is in UAE, Harry is in USA. This leaves Prince Andrew as the only one available at short notice. The only way the list can be changed is by an Act of Parliament. The Queen can't change the list.
Andrew became the fourth on the death of the Duke of Edinburgh

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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

Let’s hope that she doesn’t become incapacitated in the next few days then.
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

I read the palace are looking into how to rectify the Andrew and Harry situation, seeing as they are now supposed to be private individuals. Unfortunately the title of Prince is the one that can't be taken away as it's their birthright.

I'd like to see Andrew lose his Duke of York and Earl of Inverness titles (what USP would his greedy ex have if she's not longer a Duchess?); I'd also like to see Harry lose the Earl of Dumbarton title and the other one he has in N Ireland.
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An interesting constitutional position could potentially occur. If the Queen is incapacitated and cannot perform certain duties, two of the four Council of State stand in. These are currently Princes Charles, William, Harry and Andrew. Charles is isolating with Covid, William is in UAE, Harry is in USA. This leaves Prince Andrew as the only one available at short notice. The only way the list can be changed is by an Act of Parliament. The Queen can't change the list.
Andrew became the fourth on the death of the Duke of Edinburgh

https://www.royal.uk/counsellors-state
would this mean that if the queen popped her clogs from covid AND charles went belly up, then it would be William who would be next in line correct ? So its queenie > Charles > William > Andrew > Harry ? Kind of like an order of merit in itself, I would be hard pressed to choose between Andrew as King and having Harry as King but telling Oprah what the week had been like every wednesday afternoon on telly.
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would this mean that if the queen popped her clogs from covid AND charles went belly up, then it would be William who would be next in line correct ? So its queenie > Charles > William > Andrew > Harry ? Kind of like an order of merit in itself, I would be hard pressed to choose between Andrew as King and having Harry as King but telling Oprah what the week had been like every wednesday afternoon on telly.
I believe Harry is before Andrew in line to the throne.
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would this mean that if the queen popped her clogs from covid AND charles went belly up, then it would be William who would be next in line correct ? So its queenie > Charles > William > Andrew > Harry ? Kind of like an order of merit in itself, I would be hard pressed to choose between Andrew as King and having Harry as King but telling Oprah what the week had been like every wednesday afternoon on telly.
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I believe Harry is before Andrew in line to the throne.
I believe Williams kids are in there before Harry, and Harry's kids before Andrew as well.
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I believe Williams kids are in there before Harry, and Harry's kids before Andrew as well.
This. Here are the first 10 in order. Note that 3-5 are William's children and 7-8 are Harry's children.
  1. Charles
  2. William
  3. George
  4. Charlotte
  5. Louis
  6. Harry
  7. Archie
  8. Lilibet
  9. Andrew
  10. Beatrice

If Harry and Andrew were removed from the Counsellors of State, then the role would generally fall to the next adults in line for the throne. That would mean Beatrice and Eugenie. Prince Edward is in line after both of them.
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I believe Williams kids are in there before Harry, and Harry's kids before Andrew as well.
Yes. Here's the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succes...British_throne
Andrew is 9th in the succession line. In effect, this means that he is highly, highly unlikey ever to become king.

However, he is still, at least potentially, responsible for taking serious decisions as a member of the Council of State, as Deep Purple set out, above. And that's rather more scary.

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I believe Williams kids are in there before Harry, and Harry's kids before Andrew as well.
Yes they are as are Harry’s, I was just correcting the order in the quoted post.
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

We're not talking succesion but taking charge in case the reigning monach is incapacitated, and in such cases, it is a choice between Charly, William, Harry Hewitt or Duke of Pork
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would this mean that if the queen popped her clogs from covid AND charles went belly up, then it would be William who would be next in line correct ? So its queenie > Charles > William > Andrew > Harry ? Kind of like an order of merit in itself, I would be hard pressed to choose between Andrew as King and having Harry as King but telling Oprah what the week had been like every wednesday afternoon on telly.
Charles - William - (His children) George - Charlotte - Louis - Harry - (His children) Archie - Lilibet - Then Andrew and his children. The others are too young to act in place of the Queen, hence Andrew is fourth in this list
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

Prince Andrew's accuser, who claimed in interviews that she was scared/forced/disgusted (at the prospect of having sex with him, on receiving her instructions from Ghislaine Maxwell, she claimed), yet posed in a photo with him (immediately prior to the abuse, she said), with her arm around him and smiling broadly, has withdrawn her claims against Alan Dershowitz, saying she "may have made a mistake". As with Prince Andrew, her allegations concerned more than one alleged incident and Alan Dershowitz vociferously denied them, saying he had never even met her.

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts now says she 'may have made a mistake' when she said she was forced to have sex with Alan Dershowitz at the bidding of Epstein - as she sensationally drops case


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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

Alan D is not on the same intellectual level as Andy Pandy .... Not a great idea to f*** with unless all the ducks are highly aligned complete with reserves
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Re: Prince Andrew stripped of titles by Queen.

Just started streaming the latest series of The Crown on Netflix (released today). Can see why its release was so opposed - does not put the royal family in a good light, and completely different to the previous series.

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Prince Andrew's accuser, who claimed in interviews that she was scared/forced/disgusted (at the prospect of having sex with him, on receiving her instructions from Ghislaine Maxwell, she claimed), yet posed in a photo with him (immediately prior to the abuse, she said), with her arm around him and smiling broadly, has withdrawn her claims against Alan Dershowitz, saying she "may have made a mistake". As with Prince Andrew, her allegations concerned more than one alleged incident and Alan Dershowitz vociferously denied them, saying he had never even met her.

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts now says she 'may have made a mistake' when she said she was forced to have sex with Alan Dershowitz at the bidding of Epstein - as she sensationally drops case

In the statement Alan Dershowitz put out after Virginia Robert Giuffre's turnaround, he said "I commend her work combatting the evil of sex trafficking" (source). When the settlement with Prince Andrew was announced, a statement was made saying "Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights" (source).

So I decided to have a look for online evidence of her work to in this regard.

There has been no public activity on her Twitter account since around the time the settlement from Prince Andrew was announced, her last tweet being on 19 February 2022 ("The suicide of Jean-Luc Brunel, who abused me and countless girls and young women, ends another chapter. I’m disappointed that I wasn’t able to face him in a final trial to hold him accountable, but gratified that I was able to testify in person last year to keep him in prison.")

She has a US-registered non-profit called "Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR)". On its website, on the "About Us" section, under "Our story" it says: "SOAR (formerly Victims Refuse Silence) incorporated as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization in 2015. ... Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR) officially launched in November of 2021." Victims Refuse Silence Inc is indeed on the GuideStar register of US non-profits. SOAR does not appear to be and neither Victims Refuse Silence nor SOAR appears to be on the register of the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission (she lives in Australia).

Googling the name of the non-profit, "Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR)", produces nothing of note other than its own website, Twitter and Instagram accounts and references to it in articles about Prince Andrew and his settlement, Alan Dershowitz, Ghislaine Maxwell, VRG's accusations against them, etc. There appear to be no media reports about any of the following activities, referred to on its website ("About Us" section under "Our work"): "Through media appearances, speaking engagements, and public education campaigns, SOAR raises awareness and ensures that the voices of survivors are featured in the fight to end sex trafficking."

On the "About Us" section, under "Our story" it says: "Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR) officially launched in November of 2021. At this early stage, we are not yet accepting donations." But this is a year later.

Under "Get Involved", it says: "Coming Soon". Surely this feature should have been activated by now.

Under "Get the Facts" and "News stories", there's nothing more recent than stories about VRG suing Prince Andrew. There appear to be other stories, on the subject of sex trafficking and not related to VRG, but if you click on them you're taken to a news article about VRG suing Prince Andrew.

The only thing of substance on the website seems to be under "Need Help?", where it gives contact details of the National Human Trafficking Hotline.

SOAR does have a Twitter account and last tweeted in June, but doesn't seem to have posted anything about SOAR activity.

So what work is SOAR doing and what is its purpose?
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We're not talking succesion but taking charge in case the reigning monach is incapacitated, and in such cases, it is a choice between Charly, William, Harry Hewitt or Duke of Pork
Where's Anne in this hierarchy btw? Isn't she the second child of the late Queen?

If she doesn't follow right after Lilibeth, why is that?
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Where's Anne in this hierarchy btw? Isn't she the second child of the late Queen?

If she doesn't follow right after Lilibeth, why is that?
William would become Regent if Charles is somehow incapacitated. It follows the same route as succession but they don't become monarch until Charles passes away or abdicates.
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Where's Anne in this hierarchy btw? Isn't she the second child of the late Queen?

If she doesn't follow right after Lilibeth, why is that?
Prior to 2011, the law governing the line of succession gave priority to male children. So Anne follows her younger brothers. The 2011 change applies to children born after that date, so now Charlotte is ahead of Louis.
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But that's pretty late....2011, no?

Wow. Not surprising though, as monarchy is the most conservative institution by definition. Even so....
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In the statement Alan Dershowitz put out after Virginia Robert Giuffre's turnaround, he said "I commend her work combatting the evil of sex trafficking" (source). When the settlement with Prince Andrew was announced, a statement was made saying "Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights" (source).
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I'm sure that the point of view that this charity could have been a thoroughly bogus construct and served also the purpose of purpose of hushing up talkative acquaintances of Virginia Giuffre such as Carolyn Andriano, with promises of a share in the proceeds, would not have been lost on the likes of Alan Dershowitz. I'm sure that someone of his ilk will insist on a full review of that charity but would prefer to wait sufficient time, for any impropriety in the use of its funds to become manifest, to launch an attack . With what could be reportedly up to £12 million from Prince Andrew sitting in that pot, that is a huge temptation for misuse.

At least here it becomes clear that Carolyn Andrian could have caused a (further) credibility problem for Virginia Giuffre had the case gone further:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...new-claim.html
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