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What about ... non-Ukrainian refugees?

there's been a big difference with the way ukrainian refugees have been treated in europe when compared to recent waves of refugees.
even on the forum here many threads about helping them and people hosting ukrainians. this is obviously a good thing but i can't help but notice the massive difference in the response.
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there's been a big difference with the way ukrainian refugees have been treated in europe when compared to recent waves of refugees.
even on the forum here many threads about helping them and people hosting ukrainians. this is obviously a good thing but i can't help but notice the massive difference in the response.
Well, what have you done that time and what are you doing now to help?

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there's been a big difference with the way ukrainian refugees have been treated in europe when compared to recent waves of refugees.
even on the forum here many threads about helping them and people hosting ukrainians. this is obviously a good thing but i can't help but notice the massive difference in the response.
Out of interest, what are your thoughts as to why that is?
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Well, what have you done that time and what are you doing now to help?
i was against helping the last refugees as i thought the whole thing a sham because many were economic migrants.

my wife signed up to volunteer to translate for the ukrainian refugees but it doesn't seem like it will be feasible due to transport costs. i didn't think it was a good idea anyway.
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there's been a big difference with the way ukrainian refugees have been treated in europe when compared to recent waves of refugees.
even on the forum here many threads about helping them and people hosting ukrainians. this is obviously a good thing but i can't help but notice the massive difference in the response.
There are many very simple and practical reasons for this, which have nothing todo with racism or anti-islamism.

However, it is also very simple to make such comments from your desk, when you make it perfectly clear you did not wish to help those from elsewhere.Cheap!
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Aaaaand just like my signature says, the online world is full of horrible people.
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i was against helping the last refugees as i thought the whole thing a sham because many were economic migrants. ...
Yep. All those Syrians left their homes in search of better pay. Not because there was any fighting, killing, bombing... It was all a sham to make Russia look bad.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Of course Ukraine (suddenly) feels much closer than Syria ever was. Do culture and race play a role in the determining the attitude towards refugees? I think they do in reality, whether we like it or not. I think it also plays a role for public perception that Ukrainian refugees are mostly families (or just women and children) as opposed to mostly young men.
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Yep. All those Syrians left their homes in search of better pay. Not because there was any fighting, killing, bombing... It was all a sham to make Russia look bad.
"syrians"

just seems to me a lot more people are willing to help ukrainians and host them in their homes... i wonder if they also offered the same to all the young men who were fleeing africa and the middle east?
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I think it also plays a role for public perception that Ukrainian refugees are mostly families (or just women and children) as opposed to mostly young men.
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just seems to me a lot more people are willing to help ukrainians and host them in their homes... i wonder if they also offered the same to all the young men who were fleeing africa and the middle east?
Here´s your answer.
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just seems to me a lot more people are willing to help ukrainians and host them in their homes... i wonder if they also offered the same to all the young men who were fleeing africa and the middle east?
Again, why do you think that is? Go on, be brave and actually give your opinion instead of just trying to shame people who are doing far more than you.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

That's Fox News' Tucker Carlson's "just asking questions" routine.
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Of course Ukraine (suddenly) feels much closer than Syria ever was. Do culture and race play a role in the determining the attitude towards refugees? I think they do in reality, whether we like it or not. I think it also plays a role for public perception that Ukrainian refugees are mostly families (or just women and children) as opposed to mostly young men.
i agree with this. although it does seem to go against the equality and tolerance stuff many people claim they believe in.
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i agree with this. although it does seem to go against the equality and tolerance stuff many people claim they believe in.
No it doesn't and you are full of 'it'. It is natural and instinctive to identify more with people of similar race and culture, we do it almost unconsciously... that doesn't make a person racist, it makes them human. People do feel sympathy for and did help Syrian/Afghan etc refugees, but it should be no surprise to anyone with half a brain that people are in general more disposed to refugees they share greater racial and/or ethnic commonalities with, especially with more volume of women and children that just single men. That doesn't mean they reject everyone else and it doesn't mean they are racist.

This is basic anthropology that you are trying to twist.

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i know. but i find it funny that a few years ago the people pointing this out were all labelled as racists
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Well, what have you done that time and what are you doing now to help?
Nothing, they did nothing as they don't do anything about Yemen and Syria etc as we speak, despite of so many calls for help, but they would like to boss everyone else around and tell those who want to help, donate etc where to direct their money, help, sympathy etc.
Bossing, scolding and mocking others around is what these pseudo-humanitarians enjoy the most.
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"syrians"

just seems to me a lot more people are willing to help ukrainians and host them in their homes...
You're not. It's funny how you're trying to portray those who are helping as hypocrites - while portraying yourself as nasty, compassionless and selfish. I wonder which characteristics are worse?
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My home isn't big enough for all of them. But we did have an Ethiopian man (asylum seeking) staying with us for six months.

As someone said in a thread a few weeks ago - better selective compassion and help than none at all.
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Nothing, they did nothing as they don't do anything about Yemen and Syria etc as we speak, despite of so many calls for help, but they would like to boss everyone else around and tell those who want to help, donate etc where to direct their money, help, sympathy etc.
Bossing, scolding and mocking others around is what these pseudo-humanitarians enjoy the most.
i would argue that by being against economic migrants i was actually helping genuine refugees. perhaps if there were less naive people back then it could have also benefited the ukrainians now.
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It will be interesting to see if the solidarity with Ukrainian refugees will last.
ukrainians are pretty based people. given that the EU seems to have adopted multiculturalism and LGBT as a national religion i imagine there will be plenty of bumps along the way.
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i would argue that by being against economic migrants i was actually helping genuine refugees. perhaps if there were less naive people back then it could have also benefited the ukrainians now.
By being a negative person you don't help anyone in the long run.
You just make the world a worse place in the long run.

And the ones that you hurt the most with your negativity is your closest ones.
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