Your claim that "miscarriages have been dropping steadily year on year" is untrue for the US. Unless you have a source for your claim?

On the health risk of denying abortions;
No doubt we will soon see a sharp rise in maternal mortality

This is probably why it would be wise not to base laws on religious beliefs.*


*while I do accept that there are laws based on religious observances which are morally good and sound, I think it's a step too far to assume that people are incapable of making morally just laws without religious input.

Of all the examples you picked the one where Christians were accused of planning to commit terrorism. (not actually committing it)

By the way, they were acquitted

Don't come with that weak sauce

Yeah, I also noticed that many of the pro-lifers here are also the same people who had been claiming it is against someone's personal freedom for a government to force them to wear a mask or to get vaccinated or for schools to close for a few weeks. They think its their right to put others lives at risk when it comes to a pandemic but claim to be "pro life" when it comes to abortion and have no problem with a government essentially forcing a woman to not have the freedom or right to decide for herself when and if she wants to become a mother.

hmm

I'd never. It's the religion of.... peace

Well, you did express your opinion here and you weren't chastised for that. Sometimes you just have to say what you really think. Pleasing the audience doesn't bring one anything, neither peace of mind, nor anything good in the long run.

I will try to understand your opinion before throwing a stone (pun intended). Yes, I also care of unborn children who don't have a voice. There are countless abuses made in the name of I don know what, freedom? Killing female foetuses in some cultures because they're well, girls, abortions at very late stages of pregnancy and there are probably some more instances when I wouldn't agree to abortion, for ethical, moral or religious reasons.

But, I think we are blind sighted by our extremely privileged life situation (yes, I can bet you're feeling the same way), and the fact that, at least for me, my family was always a rock, even in times when my country was in a disastrous political and economical situation. We were not rich, but we had good values, (my parents were agnostics but I grew up with rather religious grandparents), a stable situation and had each other's back. Now imagine a future single mom, student, even worse, a minor, or a poor woman with already 4 or 5 children.....what do you think, should she have the choice or not, in case an accident happens? I don't know, contraceptives don't work - it happens more than you care to know.
I had fertility problems after my first child who was wanted, wished, cherished and adored from the first....cell? I can relate to the love of babies in general, it took us a while till we got pregnant for the second time. Again, stable situation, wanted children, cherished, loved more than life itself.
Not all people are as privileged as us. Not all life situations are equal.
This is all I had to say.

This a million times. Religions should always be a private matter- and not be linked to law making or education. As a member of the UK Humanist Society, we have been fighting for this for a very long time.

fify.

Yeah, couldn’t be bothered to waste time on your bait.

The effort isn't high. And this is not fear mongering. If a woman is being charged with an illegal abortion the data records could be subpeonad from her menstruation app (apps like Flo) to prove that she recorded she was pregnant etc. Its a subpeona to cloud service providers that would host apps under a law (like the Cloud Act). If its relevant to the case this data could be easily supeona'd. Its no different to supeona-ing whats app messages, which often happens.



All US women should delete these apps.

Well not in this case, simple's.

At the moment. It looks like some of the anti-abortion fanatics want to stop this happening.

I'm not sure how this will be implemented?

Lock them up? Impound their cars? Electronically tag them?

Or perhaps, send them away to special 'institutes' for nine months until they have had their babies which can then be given away for adoption.

Didn't that sort of thing happen two centuries ago?

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, banning abortion is the short-game; the long game is the erosion of individual rights, both fundamental and progressive. Today it's abortion,
tomorrow contraception, then
gay marriage,
interracial marriage,
political activism,
free speech,
freedom as you've come to know it.

2 years ago I wouldn't have believed it, but today I would agree the Handmaid's tale is at risk of becoming real.

Easy peasy...target the providers, making their treating anyone without residence in that state a crime.

kiwiguy ' Nobody is now blocking women from breaking the law to travel to other states to get their abortion.'

do you realise how ridiculous this sounds.

So if you are free, no other children, no freak controlling husband or partner, can easily take time off your job without questions asked, have the money to travel, etc, etc, etc, then that might me possible. For many, this would be totally impossible.

I can't wait until suffering a miscarriage gets you a manslaughter charge...oh, wait.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ge/6104281001/

Remember, the US had runaway slave and fugitive slave laws. I’m sure the GOP will figure out a way to control women who cross state lines for an abortion.

As you carefully explained the new abortion laws will be state by state so having a medical procedure in a state where it is allowed will not be breaking the law in a state where it is forbidden.
State laws are geographic not citizen by citizen.

A similar example is crossing a state line to a state to take advantage of the age of consent being lower is not breaking state law. This could be breaking federal law on age of consent but today there is no federal law on abortion.

Is a teenage girl, who may not be able to drive nor own a car, really going to drive hundreds of miles to another state to get a morning-after pill which she may, or may not actually need?