https://www.verywellfamily.com/best-...y-apps-5074392

This is where we're at, can't even agree on reality anymore.

For the sake of argument though, in this dystopian world where the US is tracking women's periods in order to prosecute them for abortions, you delete your MENSTRUATION app, what is to stop them just confiscating your diary where you've been tracking your cycle on pen and paper? Or do these also now have to be hidden under the floorboards?

This whole idea is utterly ludicrous!

Yikes, that a tool that can be used as an fertility app also can be used as a menstruation app, doesn´t ring a bell?

An Apple watch can be used to monitor health, it also is a watch.....

But not so inexpensive that it’s a reasonable alternative to contraception.

The Red Sox used to be my favorite team.

That’s fine. Anti-vaxxers aren’t too popular with Bo-Sox fans right now anyway.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red...playoff-series

I haven't changed my views much, but I have learned a thing or two. Some things, like the menstruation apps, I didn't need to know. The interesting part of the discussion is what type of abortion rights are commonly seen as sensible and supported by voters instead of the binary ban / don't ban pingpong.

If we rewind to my first comment on this topic I did say what these apps are "typically" used for. I do understand they have multiple purposes, doesn't change the point that this whole discussion is preposterous.

Then again, so much on this thread keeps being turned on its head imo. My faviourite is that the Republicans are the "authoritarians"
They're not the ones who support lockdowns, are anti freedom of speech, support covid passes, deplatforming, cancel culture or had apps that did actually track people's movement during the pandemic to monitor lockdown breaches!

I guess I said this earlier, but I’ll say it again. I find it appalling that abortion is given arbitrary time limits, decided upon by voters and political figures, when it is a medical procedure. It really ought to be up to the woman, her physician and in some cases, her family. Are there other medical procedures with timelines set by voters and officials? I can‘t think of any, but I might be wrong.

No, you assume that these apps are typically used for fertility.

And if you consider this discussion preposterous, how about backing out?

So you can all disappear completely down the rabbit hole?!

In my view, this is about balancing the rights of the mother and the rights of the unborn child. It is not only a medical, but also a moral question. I believe it is a reasonable position to allow abortion generally until "viability" of the fetus.

As you are doing?

This is basically the point. I would go further to say that human life begins at the point of conception to remove any ambiguity, however also accept that under certain circumstances there are situations whereby abortion is the least worst outcome.

This is where I find Germany's current position on abortion the best compromise as it recognizes the right to life.

Tony, the link you provided explains what I said "You start by tracking your menstrual cycles (i.e. keeping a record of your period and a few other monthly changes). With a little know-how, you can begin to understand how long your cycles are, when you typically ovulate, and when you’re most likely to get pregnant. " So they are using a menstruation app to identify when they are ovulating. It doesn't mean that someone using the app wants to get pregnant or that it is a fertility app. We use these apps to track our cycles for many reasons.


I agree its Dystopian, it is dystopian that a "supreme court", would take a decision like this that will impact the physical and mental health of women (and their partners) in the US. It is dystopian that religion comes into it, eventhough not all people practice the same religions. It is scary and very dystopian. I am very relieved I do not live in the US and that I am not raising my female children there.

Yes, fetuses are US citizens since conception. This has no unintended consequences at all. Nope, don't worry

Authoritarian? Not Republican?

In 2020
March 13 — Trump (Republican) Declares COVID-19 a National Emergency

March 13 — Trump (Republican) Travel Ban on Non-US Citizens Traveling From Europe Goes Into Effect

March 16 - Trump (Republican) issued new guidelines designed to slow the rapid spread of coronavirus, asking nearly every American to stay home from work or school.

Off you go then (well you could have until your Brexit made that not so easy).

Someone here once started an initiative to force a referendum on banning abortion.

It didn't get enough signatures to get to the referendum stage.

Abortion here is seen as a medical procedure. It's included in health insurance. A referendum to stop that was heavily defeated.

People do not think like you here.

wait till he finds out about the genocidal places known as IVF clinics then....

I just read a NYT article on this (paywall) saying that you have lots of information on your phones, in addition to periods apps, that could be problematic. Even a simple text message, or two, could implicate you. Even encrypted apps like Whatsapp are not encrypted for those with access to your phone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/t...-abortion.html

I have used the term "authoritarian" for Republican a few times here, although I think not in this thread. When I say that I exclusively refer to their efforts to overthrow the last presidential elections and fiddle with future elections by undermining the proper certification of electors etc.

For me this has nothing to do with either Covid or Roe v Wade.