Thank you for another lecture.

And I still wonder what the share of abortions for "therapeutic" reasons is vs the pure choice ones. Tony's point on where the Swiss law is and what the center position is in Switzerland remains valid despite the smokescreen of Marton's post.

By the way, even Alabama which bans basically all abortions has an exemption for risk to mother's life.

How about Louisiana?

What about fetal malformations? A lot of times they're discovered rather late in the pregnancy, and sometimes they aren't incompatible with life with modern medicine but some parents don't feel they have the courage to live with a child with a severe heart defect for example, something that'll require 3 or 4 palliative surgeries, an untold amount of consultations and all that to end up on the transplant list in early adulthood. What happens then?

Btw, abortions happen often after 12 weeks in Switzerland, psychological trauma is considered a health risk for the mother. So women seeking abortion after 12 weeks will have to undergo assessment by a psychiatrist but most of the time the abortion will happen.

I have to say "therapeutic" My source.

See section "The Doctor".

You're welcome. I think that it is incumbent on us native speakers to help non-natives.

All abortions in the UK are therapeutic. The woman's physical or mental health must be at risk. But in practice, it's on demand.

All abortions in Switzerland are therapeutic.

Here is the law, in the original language to avoid debate over the translation.

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1 Der Abbruch einer Schwangerschaft ist straflos, wenn er nach ärztlichem Urteil notwendig ist, damit von der schwangeren Frau die Gefahr einer schwerwiegenden körperlichen Schädigung oder einer schweren seelischen Notlage abgewendet werden kann. Die Gefahr muss umso grösser sein, je fortgeschrittener die Schwangerschaft ist.

2 Der Abbruch einer Schwangerschaft ist ebenfalls straflos, wenn er innerhalb von zwölf Wochen seit Beginn der letzten Periode auf schriftliches Verlangen der schwangeren Frau, die geltend macht, sie befinde sich in einer Notlage, durch eine zur Berufsausübung zugelassene Ärztin oder einen zur Berufsausübung zugelassenen Arzt vorgenommen wird. Die Ärztin oder der Arzt hat persönlich mit der Frau vorher ein eingehendes Gespräch zu führen und sie zu beraten.

I've been lectured here on things I knew about much more than the lecturers, and from better and more reliable sources, just because. It's the internet.

Language lessons are rather useful (even if the intention is to put you in your place, as if a less than perfect command of English could reveal deep flaws in thinking and education)...... unless your ego just won't have them.

You know this is bullshit because Article 2 de facto allows abortion by choice.

Yes, in fact it has been very therapeutic for me.

It wasn't. Rather to correct the rather silly notion that anyone can have a better command of a foreign language than an educated native speaker. I'm very aware of this as someone who isn't a native German speaker. When I'm corrected, I accept it gracefully. I never argue about meaning.

lol

I see your command of the German language is equally good.

You can say what you choose but I don't think angloinfo is the best source to use.


As a native speaker myself therapeutic is not the word I would personally choose to describe a medically necessary termination. As an English teacher I can quite understand why the term causes confusion to non native speakers.

In all fairness, the Swissies's way of correcting your German is very gentle, very.."diplomatic". I don't think you'd enjoy the same....cotton coating in other German speaking countries, so we can count our blessings. They'd probably openly mock our accents, I know this from other people. (In France I have experienced it one time myself, I was really tired and couldn't pay attention to my accent in French.....lol, I must be a snowflake because I still mention this episode 10 years later)

Look, joker. The essence of the discussion was that Tony rightly pointed out that Switzerland has by far less lenient abortion rules than some dreamers here believe by pointing out to the 12 week limit. You then confused things with the medical exemption, which is a feature of even most of the super restrictive laws in the US. That's why I called it a smokescreen.

It is the word used by medical people to describe an abortion prescribed for medical reasons. Source - my niece, a GP.

Not all medical words make it into the mainstream. I have often found that if you use medical terminology, doctors tend to treat you more like an intelligent human being.

I know, I'm married to one although not a gynaecologist.

It doesn't look so.

Kally, That's a real valid question and you are right in pointing this out.

My answer: I don't know. My heart just breaks when I see kids who cannot fully enjoy life and were born that way, on the other hand I admit I don't understand all diseases and I don't know what they feel and what their parents feel. It is an act of great courage and love, I respect that.
Not everyone is capable or has the emotional, physical and financial resources for this, I agree. I really don't know.

Then you are in an excellent situation to inform us of the correct terminology we should use.

Actually, I quoted the relevant Swiss laws.
I would appreciate you dropping your serial ad hominem