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11.07.2022, 00:50
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This joke is at least seven years old but is ever more appropriate. | The following 9 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | This user groans at marton for this post: | | 
11.07.2022, 09:54
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At this point, I wish we were 'just' traveling back in time. But post Roe with some states enacting truly draconian laws with criminal penalties hanging over the heads of medical personnel and parameters largely undefined, this is a whole new world.
A friend is a nurse midwife in one such state. Half of her work is in a well-funded state-of-the-art ob-gyn clinic serving a wealthy population. The other half of the time she works pro bono at an inner city clinic, where funding is always uncertain, serving a very poor population.
Both clinics face legal uncertainty as to what type of care can be provided. What, or rather who, defines 'risk to life of the mother' cases? No one knows.
Any case where a miscarriage occurs, an ectopic pregnancy, a decision to save the mother that results in the loss of a fetus, could end up in court with the medical staff facing loss of certification at best, criminal prosecution at worst. And likely will, given zealous local prosecutors keen to make a name or score political points.
We are not talking about elective abortion here - we are talking about the ability to respond to a medical crisis that may arise during any pregnancy.
At the well-funded clinic, with an army of the best legal eagles money can buy, care will continue as per usual.
The free clinic is debating whether they can even continue to offer care in this new legal environment. They can't afford the potential legal costs.
If the free clinic has to stop offering ob-gyn care, once again the poorest segment bears a disproportionate burden brought on by the loss of Roe.
But yeah... far too many of our politicians have given the eleventh commandment priority in this brave new world: "Thou shalt not be poor".
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11.07.2022, 10:00
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Exactly.
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11.07.2022, 10:17
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | This joke is at least seven years old but is ever more appropriate. Attachment 143935 | | | | | A woman was flying back to the US, and asked the steward, "what's the time difference?" and the Steward answers "About 100 years"
I can remember when that joke used to be about Saudi
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11.07.2022, 10:25
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: |  | | | A pregnant woman in Texas told police that her unborn child counted as an additional passenger after being cited for driving alone in a high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lane... Brandy Bottone of Plano, Texas, tried to fight a ticket for driving with only one passenger in an HOV lane – which requires at least two people in the car – by arguing that her unborn baby should count as her second passenger. | | | | | Source | The following 5 users would like to thank itsjess for this useful post: | | 
11.07.2022, 11:30
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | That's excellent!
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11.07.2022, 11:51
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | |
Excellent, but where does it end......
If you're pregant do you need to pay for 2 tickets to fly or go to a ball game ?
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11.07.2022, 13:59
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | Excellent, but where does it end......
| | | | | Hopefully, in this case, it end with Texas changing its law about abortions being totally illegal apart from very few circumstances. | Quote: | |  | | |
If you're pregant do you need to pay for 2 tickets to fly or go to a ball game ?
| | | | | Perhaps the Texans will say that you are not welcome at the ball game if you are pregnant?
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11.07.2022, 14:21
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | Excellent, but where does it end......
If you're pregant do you need to pay for 2 tickets to fly or go to a ball game ? | | | | | I think children under a certain age are normally free. As to flying with an unborn child, I'm yet to see the certification for crash testing with a fetus/tiny human.
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11.07.2022, 14:24
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | I think children under a certain age are normally free. As to flying with an unborn child, I'm yet to see the certification for crash testing with a fetus/tiny human. | | | | | Crash testing doesn't even test for crash impacts on fully grown women Source | The following 2 users would like to thank itsjess for this useful post: | | 
11.07.2022, 14:30
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | Crash testing doesn't even test for crash impacts on fully grown women  Source | | | | | That's valid for cars, however for aircraft the human is based on a 95th percentile male* from sometime in the 1960's. Hence the 75kg mass and the dimensions associated.
* Not just male. Military recruits aged 17-19.
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11.07.2022, 14:31
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | I don’t think that will happen. The Supremes turned it back to the legislatures, ie the individual states or the Congress. I think, at best, he could issue an executive order permitting abortion on federal land in States where it would be otherwise prohibited. Such as military bases. He could also order that Federal organisations not assist in the implementation of any state law prohibiting abortions. Like the FBI, NSA, Homeland Security, IRS, etc.
Of course state law doesn’t necessarily apply on aboriginal land either. | | | | | This is exactly what will happen. The latest way the Biden administration apes the Trump administration by signing executive orders that will never be acted upon and will be struck down in the courts. Pure gesture politics.
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11.07.2022, 19:37
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This will give us a much better idea of how much voters in a state support abortion, or not, a referendum on abortion instead of simply assuming they support abortion because they mostly voted Republican. | Quote: |  | | | Voters in Michigan are one step closer to deciding whether abortion remains legal in the swing state.
Abortion-rights activists who spent months gathering hundreds of thousands of signatures to put an abortion rights amendment on the November ballot brought well more than the amount required to the Secretary of State’s office on Monday, and say they’re confident the petition will be swiftly certified. | | | | |
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12.07.2022, 08:03
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12.07.2022, 18:26
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | A woman was flying back to the US, and asked the steward, "what's the time difference?" and the Steward answers "About 100 years"
I can remember when that joke used to be about Saudi | | | | | was his name Jussie Smollet?
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14.07.2022, 21:00
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They are just such an intensely creepy bunch of inhuman political chancers | Quote: |  | | | Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita (R) says he will be looking into the licensure of the physician who provided abortion services to a 10-year-old rape victim from Ohio who made national headlines after she traveled out of state to receive the procedure. | | | | | | The following 4 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
14.07.2022, 21:22
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | They are just such an intensely creepy bunch of inhuman political chancers | | | | | Scum.
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14.07.2022, 22:45
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| | Re: Roe vrs. Wade | Quote: | |  | | | Crash testing doesn't even test for crash impacts on fully grown women  Source | | | | | It's just a tad difficult to design "female" dummies when you don't even know what the relevant differences are, let alone how to model them.
Trying to frame this as some sort of female oppression is at best nonsensical. And in itself sexist, btw.
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14.07.2022, 23:03
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It's hard for me to imagine that this won't push more people to vote Democrat. I won't be surprised if we see a lot more young women (and young men) voting in the next elections. Imagine a 14-year old boy accidentally getting his girlfriend pregnant and then having to pay child support for the next 18 years. I know this issue primarily affects women and woman's rights, but it does or can affect men as well.
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14.07.2022, 23:51
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I said it before, these assholes are "principled" and "pro life" as long as their mistress does not turn up with an unwanted pregnancy.
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