Roe vrs. Wade - Page 25

olygirl · #**481** 21.08.2022, 15:27

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Who cares, I ceased being USian 13 years ago. Tom

I care

Belgianmum · #**482** 21.08.2022, 15:29

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Who cares, I ceased being USian 13 years ago. Tom

Millions of people who are still US citizens.

doropfiz · #**483** 21.08.2022, 17:09

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Millions of people who are still US citizens.

Yes, indeed. And many more millions who are not, also care.

st2lemans · #**484** 21.08.2022, 17:15

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Millions of people who are still US citizens.

Then they should do something other than bitch and moan about it!

Tom

Pancakes · #**485** 21.08.2022, 20:14

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Then they should do something other than bitch and moan about it! Tom

What exactly do you suggest that they do, Tom?

Or are you just bitching and moaning about other people bitching and moaning?

Biro · #**486** 21.08.2022, 21:42

	Quote:	st2lemans
	The 6 shot revolver was invented in the late 1800s, nearly 100 years later. Tom

Even worse than i thought then !

Sonnenbrand · #**487** 24.08.2022, 02:12

	Quote:	meloncollie
	The Indiana I know well is in serious trouble, and has been for decades. I married into a Hoosier family, so much of the last 30-some years have been spent in those cornfields and dying small towns. In those 30+ years, I've seen so much decline. The family farms like my OH's grandfather's lost out to Big Ag long ago, many of but those farmers could transition to good blue collar jobs. They could still count on being able to buy a home, take holidays, raise their families in comfort. Then the factories started closing. The children and grandchildren of those well-paid workers faced a very different future. As the years went on we saw during our drives across the state roads a rapidly emerging Rust Belt. Lots of small factories closed, then later businesses that supported those factories and factory employees followed. Boarded up windows and vacant shops along the main streets becamse increasingly common... those Indiana small towns have for a long time been looking bleak. Recently, though, I've noticed a new industry has sprung up: Meth addiction clinics seem to be popping up in many of those small town main streets. That, and military recruitment posts. Lots of stories of devasting unemployment and underemployment among my husband's circle of childhood friends. Financial crises from the 80s on hit hard, and many people are still reeling. --- By the way, my husband was the first person in his extemded Indiana family to go to university. Not because he was the only academically oriented high school student, far from it - but rather because he was the first to be able to afford it. And how did he do that? He won a scholarship from Eli Lilly. The Lilly Scholars program has made an important contribution to Indiana's children. Thanks to Eli Lilly, thousands of Indiana kids have been given education options that would not have been possible otherwise. (And yes, the foundation is a separate entity from the company - but where do you think that money came from?) I also have family who are professors at a couple of Indiana universities... Lilly funds a fair amount of research grant money. If that starts to dry up, the impact on scientific research will be felt. Heck, it's not just the sciences. Lilly funds grants to all sorts of academic efforts. The Lilly Religion and Cultural Institutions Initiative is just one of their programs. These grants go to a wide swath of studies, including the humanities. And let's not forget Lilly's support of IU's School of Music, a pearl in Indiana's crown. Somewhere in the Indiana the next Joshua Bell may be growing up - what would happen to that child if that funding not available? Eli Lilly is very much a big deal throughout Indiana. --- One post-Roe anectdote: One of those professors mentioned above had a much sought-after grad student recently decide against taking up a PhD position for the coming year, a loss to his lab. The candidate turned the position down expressly because of Indiana's new law. She could not see a future in Indiana. Oh, another anecdote: That same professor writes a lot of letters of recommedation for his undergrad students applying to jobs in the sciences. Many of those letters go to Lilly. Those kids will still get those jobs... but the jobs may not be in the state of Indiana anymore. Lost tax revenue will hurt - and the ensuing brain drain will hurt even more.

I have to disagree in my experiences. Eli Lilly is not in the mouth of any person I have met in the last 30 years. Your example is different than mine. Eli Lilly has no contributions or influence in any local area I lived in. The northern 1/2 part of the state above Indianapolis<-----> does not care about Eli Silly or people that like to buy $75,000-125,000 Cummins Diesel Hillbilly Trucks just to drive to Wal-Mart to pickup some Velveeta cheese and diapers.

My family came from nothing (homesteaders and farmers - 150 years ago) in the Midwest. I have many in my family that worked for "Generous Motors" and a generation or two ago everyone had a 12th grade education and that was normal for the time; World War II heros and baby boomers. I have about 20 Aunts and Uncles and about 40 Cousins that are all over the world and have done well for themselves. Most of the ones that did well have Bachelors or Masters Degrees in things that matter, like Science, Math, Business, Health-care or Self-Employed.

I appreciate your post and personal story and I think it would be something to know you better as a person that also calls themselves a "Hoosier." Send a message, lets get together for a cookout or beer. Seriously

However, personal feelings about the past or rust-belt, do not from an accounting standpoint reflect a state's financial ability.

I think the state of Indiana would be just fine with any company that wants to move, because of Roe vs. Wade. If a person looks around in August 2022, the State is doing well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDSookWNpK4

Here is a 1-2 days ago article about bringing the Manufacturing of modern day Silicon Processor(s) and other Chips back to the USA, specifically Indiana and Ohio.

marton · #**488** 03.09.2022, 00:35

The US Department of Veterans’ Affairs (VA) announced today that it will provide access to abortions for certain veterans and beneficiaries “regardless of state restrictions.”

Getting complicated ain't it

marton · #**489** 15.09.2022, 22:19

California Gov. Gavin Newsom is escalating his feud with Republican-led states that have restricted access to abortion after the US Supreme Court’s ruling earlier this summer that rolled back the federal right to those services that was enshrined in the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision.

Today, he announced that his gubernatorial campaign has paid for 18 billboards in seven states that have enacted abortion restrictions: Indiana, Mississippi, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and Texas advertising his new website aimed at connecting women who live out of California with reproductive health care

komsomolez · #**490** 15.09.2022, 22:38

	Quote:	marton
	California Gov. Gavin Newsom is escalating his feud with Republican-led states that have restricted access to abortion after the US Supreme Court’s ruling earlier this summer that rolled back the federal right to those services that was enshrined in the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. Today, he announced that his gubernatorial campaign has paid for 18 billboards in seven states that have enacted abortion restrictions: Indiana, Mississippi, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and Texas advertising his new website aimed at connecting women who live out of California with reproductive health care

Like Abbott and DeSantis should look after their states instead of playing bullshit games with blue states - so should this vain clown look after the mess that is California instead of buying ads in red states.

marton · #**491** 15.09.2022, 23:00

	Quote:	komsomolez
	Like Abbott and DeSantis should look after their states instead of playing bullshit games with blue states - so should this vain clown look after the mess that is California instead of buying ads in red states.

Do you have a source for your claim California is a mess?

marton · #**492** 11.10.2022, 21:17

The Supreme Court declined today to wade into the so-called fetal personhood debate, deciding not to take up a case out of Rhode Island over whether fetuses should have constitutional rights.

komsomolez · #**493** 11.10.2022, 21:33

	Quote:	marton
	The Supreme Court declined today to wade into the so-called fetal personhood debate, deciding not to take up a case out of Rhode Island over whether fetuses should have constitutional rights.

Of course not. Back to the states and stuff.

marton · #**494** 11.10.2022, 21:40

	Quote:	komsomolez
	Of course not. Back to the states and stuff.

I should have posted it was rejected on the basis the petitioners had no standing.

Which presumably means a petitioner would have to be a fetus.

bowlie · #**495** 11.10.2022, 21:47

	Quote:	marton
	I should have posted it was rejected on the basis the petitioners had no standing. Which presumably means a petitioner would have to be a fetus.

And a foetus is not a person, yet so …

marton · #**496** 09.11.2022, 12:29

Voters supported abortion rights in three states; Michigan, California and Vermont.

In Kentucky so far 52.6% support abortion rights with 86% of votes counted.

marton · #**497** 09.11.2022, 13:49

	Quote:	marton
	Voters supported abortion rights in three states; Michigan, California and Vermont. In Kentucky so far 52.6% support abortion rights with 86% of votes counted.

Voters support abortion rights in all five states with ballot measures, traditional red states Montana and Kentucky rejected measures that would have restricted access to reproductive care.

kiwiguy08 · #**498** 09.11.2022, 14:04

It's good that states are deciding the abortion issue on their own.

It is their right to set their own policy

It was indeed the whole point of overturning Roe v Wade, the Democrats fears were overblown

marton · #**499** 09.11.2022, 14:17

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	It's good that states are deciding the abortion issue on their own. It is their right to set their own policy It was indeed the whole point of overturning Roe v Wade, the Democrats fears were overblown

I never understood why the GOP did not set up abortion referendums in all the "toss-up" states that they controlled. That would have taken abortion off the table for the Senate and House races.

bowlie · #**500** 09.11.2022, 16:16

Something like 61% of all US voters support abortion for any reason. I believe a majority in all states do, although a couple are close.

This isn’t a State issue, this is a people issue.