Also think that if the US had reasonable abortion laws (12 weeks like much of Europe) then it probably would have been very hard to make the arguments and build up popular support for abortion bans. But when you have partial birth abortions and extremely late term abortions not only accepted but celebrated by the left-wing then it keeps a certain population very motivated

I watch President's Biden's speech earlier and was taken by this line:

Just imagine if the previous president had said that?! The erosion of America's institutions perpetuated from the very top!

Was it better when the left radicals had momentum on their side? In what way?

(not sure I'd agree with your use of past tense but willing to go along)

Speaking about nails in the coffin:

"Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas says gay rights, contraception rulings should be reconsidered after Roe is overturned"

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/roe-...be-tossed.html

He seems alone on that, if you believe what the other conservatives wrote. And why wouldn't you

And isn't it weird that Thomas does not suggest to reconsider the SCOTUS ruling against bans on interracial marriage?

Give him time, komsomolez, give him time.

His wife is white. Or is that sarcasm?

In the words of George Carlin: Clarence Thomas is not openly black. He is openly white - he just happens to be black.

That would be one way for him to get out of marriage to a lunatic...

There shouldn't be an fear of having these decisions taken by democratically elected officials, rather than a council of non-elected judges who take decisions that are influenced by their own beliefs. Returning such decisions like gay marriage and abortion to the democratically elected isn't a bad thing!

In Switzerland, the people voted on gay marriage last year and it passed fine. As Urs Max has already said, there is a large majority in the US who support abortion within the first trimester that is broadly in line with abortion laws in most of Europe. People just need to calm down and let democracy take the wind out of the pro/anti abortion crazies.

Time needs to be allowed to see how this plays out. I still believe democracy remains the least worst option, however we've seen in recent years that it is getting stretched to its very limits and beyond.

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Can't decide whether this post is insidious or naive.

I think they must deserve each other.

I think part of the reason the debate has become so toxic in the US is because of Roe v Wade. In Europe different sides were able to find their way to a compromise through a slower legislative route. This never happened in the US thanks to Roe v Wade, hence the vocal extremists on both sides.

With this theory, if 51% of people don’t want something (abortion or gay marriage for example) they can control 49% of peoples lives. How about this 51% of people just don’t have an abortion and let the other 49% of people live their lives as they wish. Why do people feel the need for everyone to live their lives the same way they want to?

That's just one of a gazillion nonsequiturs.

Banning abortion is not controlling someone's sex life, let alone life. Nobody forces you to have unprotected intercourse, both actually. But of course nothing works 100% of the time, even that comes with a small risk.

You takes your risks you pays the price. Don't like the consequences don't take it.

And again, the Dems deliberately botched their pseudo attempt. It's actually both parties that work against abortion.

Sigh...when did the US have any radical left?

You have never been raped then?

Too a certain extent I agree with this, that there needs to be protection against the rights of individuals from discrimination. This is why I wasn't too happy at the outcome of the Covid and Burka ban referendums in Switzerland in recent years.

Abortion however is different, this is more of a grey area unless one subscribes to the "my body, my choice" argument (which I don't as there is the rights of the unborn baby and father to consider too).

The point is that there are no easy solutions and democratically taken decisions remain the least worst option.

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If you are advocating referendums on abortion, or not, then I agree.

If you are claiming that some group of politicians who were voted in on a manifesto that did not mention abortion but nevertheless make rules on abortion is displaying democracy then I do not agree.

Pay the price? Don't have sex when you are not willing to take the risk? Why would this be so binary? Why wouldn't people just have the right to "correct" the unintended consequences? It is their body. Where are all the defenders of personal liberties when it comes to this?

No need to imagine, just try to stay in the real world

Donald Trump tweet; Or
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