There has not been a draft because there has not been a major war that needed it. That's not something that will last forever. Interestingly, when Roe became law, american men were still being sent to die in Vietnam

About avoiding the selective service, sure we could go ahead and break the law. Nobody is now blocking women from breaking the law to travel to other states to get their abortion.

As for rich men dodging the draft....rich women found a way to get safe abortions pre-Roe anyways. Money will always talk

I only mentioned Christians since they are being pillored in this thread as the evil that helped this ruling get through. I am sure there are other religious and secular groups that provide the same thing

Why do others want to kill helpless foetuses but save snotty children?

The hyperbole in some of the statements here show that both sides see the others as evil. The US is a mess.

No, not Christians. Extreme Christian fundamentalists.
The ones that have to be told how and what to think every Sunday.

Do you also believe that all Muslims think like the Taliban?

I agree with Sister Christine Schenk

For me, the most compelling consideration in developing public policy is respect for the moral agency of women. Too often discussion focuses exclusively on the embryo or fetus — a developing human — without respecting the realities faced by the fully developed human, a woman whose life and body can be profoundly affected and put at risk.


The entire opinion is here:
https://www.ncronline.org/news/opini...ell-moralities

Just in case. If you happen to know some poor sole in Texas.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/0...eking-abortion

I don’t know. Give a fanatical Christian a bomb and tell him or her that it’s gods will and that they can strike a crusaders blow to the satanic godless heathen and BOOM! Having said that I doubt “our” EUropean Christian fanatics would be up for it, but an American evangelical…? I would not bet against.

I wont be baited into giving an answer to that. People can think and decide for themselves

So it's your feeling, do you have any examples to show?

https://fb.watch/dVrNhn2UKT/

she says it all ...

The problem is that they are not.

These people are being told what to think by evangelical church leaders.

It's like a cult and it's worrying.

But this is a case that can be made for all organized religion? Literally all religions can convince people to do silly things. (rituals)

Along those lines, women might want to consider privacy implications of period tracking apps. From an opinion piece in CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/16/o...yao/index.html

No. I dont think that is the case. I think it is possible to practice a religion and to think critically and not impose your views on others. None of these are mutually exclusive.



It does though require a skill that many people don't necessarily possess or have to still learn, which is to sometimes accept you are wrong and change your mind and re-evaluate your beliefs or lack of beliefs.

Actually, we do hear you bitching about it.
Only two weeks ago the American Friends Service Committee issued a statement "opposing requiring anyone to register for the draft". Then we have the Draft Resistance News, the American Civil Liberties Union also opposes, the National Lawyers Guild and its Military Law Task Force oppose the military draft in all its forms, in 2013, the National Coalition for Men (NCFM) filed its first complaint in district court,

This is the worst kind of fearmongering, the amount of effort compared to benefit of tying to obtaining this data, comparing to residents and then prosecuting these people is staggering. Besides it will be politically very unpopular.

What I expect (and many states have already stated) is that the focus of the restriction will be on the abortion providers and not the seekers. It is much easier to enforce

Agreed, but you are intimating that Islam does it 'more' than Christianity!

To be fair Irish_marmot- he said 'can be made' ...

" how can anyone be "pro-choice" or "my body my choice" and then be fine with measures that discriminated against people based on their vaccine status." Because it is following the same logic, forcing someone to remain pregnant is a health risk just the same as not getting vaccinated is a health risk.

not quite the same, as not getting vaccinated is a health risk for all, society at large.

A bit of history

https://fb.watch/dVuXWe6bSn/


Those dates mean so much to me, as an older woman. I went to my Doctor to get on the pill, in 1967. Becoming sexually active, for me, was to take responsibility. He congratulated me, and shook my hand. And in 1973, I became a mother for the first time, by choice, with a loving man who still shares my life today. I was very lucky.

It’s from 2010, but there you go.
https://amp.dw.com/de/radikale-chris...läge/a-5410848