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Re: Sturgeon names 19th October 2023 for Scottish Independence vote - IndyRef2

I’m sick and tired of hearing the Scots wanting to break up, but this time let them have it and part ways amicably and pay for the border between England/Wales & Scotland when they join the EU.
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Re: Sturgeon names 19th October 2023 for Scottish Independence vote - IndyRef2

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The latest SNP success story

Sex crimes reported in Scotland at 50-year high

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-61970165
Tony’s random fact generator in full swing…. Having admitted he got it wrong on the EU, it should take him about five years to figure this one out as well.
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Old 01.07.2022, 08:28
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I’m sick and tired of hearing the Scots wanting to break up, but this time let them have it and part ways amicably and pay for the border between England/Wales & Scotland when they join the EU.
Given that they were promised home rule over a 100 years ago and it was suspended for the duration of the war, the First World War, some of them are a bit fed up as well with the promises and the lies….

If you knew a little more history you’d know from the Anglo Irish Treaty signed 100 years ago this year, the assets and the liabilities have to be shared out. That means a share of the national debt, cost of future public pensions, military hardware and other public assets, gold reserves, who gets to use the pound and so on. For instance in the case of Ireland, both countries used the pound, so you had to central banks managing the currency, two governments issuing national debt in the currency that had to be coordinated on a monthly basis. So ‘amicably’ might not be an option.

Even today, after 100 years, there is still technical legislation going through the British and Irish parliaments cleaning things that were forgotten or overlooked. So a quick simple solution is unlikely, if this thing were to go ahead.
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Re: Sturgeon names 19th October 2023 for Scottish Independence vote - IndyRef2

It is the sincerely held belief of this government that separatism is fundamentally the wrong course. Context: Scotland, N. Ireland, Catalonia etc.

It is the sincerely held belief of this government that separatism is fundamentally the right course. Context: Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet etc.
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Re: Sturgeon names 19th October 2023 for Scottish Independence vote - IndyRef2

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60250678

I don't think you'll find too many defending the SNP record on the forum (maybe I'm wrong) but It's not like the UK government track record is that impressive in areas of law and order. Seems again Johnson just lies about numbers in parliament to make it seem better than it really is. Cuts to police numbers over the last twelve years have been a disgrace.

We could probably go back and forward all day with various arguments. In fact, that would be a good thing if there would be a proper debate and discussion so everyone knew going into the referendum where each side stood. That's not likely to happen though as we're in this absurd situation where Johnson can just continue to refuse consent, sticking his head in the sand, while the UK continues to disintegrate.
This is true, for my part I just can't see the argument for independence at the moment. It's all well and good to dislike Boris Johnson but he will not be PM forever, in fact likely to be gone by the end of the year (probably why the SNP are pushing for a referendum sooner as it helps their cause!).

Likewise whilst I can understand the discontent in Scotland with the outcome of the Brexit vote, independence will not resolve this issue. Scotland already has so much control over her own affairs, other than foreign policy and the military, virtually everything else remains in Scotland. What would be the benefit of independence?

Seems whatever powers are devolved it will never be enough. Donald Dewar warned Tony Blair of this at the very outset, that devolution would be a stick to beat Parliament and a sure route to separatism.
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Re: Sturgeon names 19th October 2023 for Scottish Independence vote - IndyRef2

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Given that they were promised home rule over a 100 years ago and it was suspended for the duration of the war, the First World War, some of them are a bit fed up as well with the promises and the lies….

If you knew a little more history you’d know from the Anglo Irish Treaty signed 100 years ago this year, the assets and the liabilities have to be shared out.
That means a share of the national debt, cost of future public pensions, military hardware and other public assets, gold reserves, who gets to use the pound and so on. For instance in the case of Ireland, both countries used the pound, so you had to central banks managing the currency, two governments issuing national debt in the currency that had to be coordinated on a monthly basis. So ‘amicably’ might not be an option.

Even today, after 100 years, there is still technical legislation going through the British and Irish parliaments cleaning things that were forgotten or overlooked. So a quick simple solution is unlikely, if this thing were to go ahead.
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Re: Sturgeon names 19th October 2023 for Scottish Independence vote - IndyRef2

Least surprising story of the year. I wonder where Ms Sturgeon will pivot the SNP to now to detract from responsibility for running the country, Gender Recognition Reform Bill? Patience within her party must be wearing thin.

Scottish government loses indyref2 court case

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-63727562
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Re: Sturgeon names 19th October 2023 for Scottish Independence vote - IndyRef2

Wee Krankie is just making plenty of noise a out this to draw attention away from matters more pressing and serious
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Least surprising story of the year. I wonder where Ms Sturgeon will pivot the SNP to now to detract from responsibility for running the country, Gender Recognition Reform Bill? Patience within her party must be wearing thin.

Scottish government loses indyref2 court case

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-63727562
Well, well, well, long time no see TC where have you been ?? No doubt this must be the only solace for you after an abysmal couple of
months for the Tory party. Lol.
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Least surprising story of the year. I wonder where Ms Sturgeon will pivot the SNP to now to detract from responsibility for running the country, Gender Recognition Reform Bill? Patience within her party must be wearing thin.

Scottish government loses indyref2 court case

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-63727562
She doesn't. From that link:
"The first minister told a media conference that a referendum remained her preferred option, but in the absence of an agreement the SNP would use the next UK general election as a "de facto referendum" in an attempt to demonstrate that a majority of people in Scotland support independence.

The "precise detail" of how this would work will now be a matter for the party to debate, she said, with a special conference to be held in the new year."

Does make me wonder what the SNP would do if they did get independence. That seems to be their only goal/ambition/reason to exist atm so doubt they have plans for anything post independence if it ever happens.
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