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Ukraine just lost every bit of respect I had. I know war has its own rules. But it was reported on the news that Russia is holding the shammy Referendum for the two breakaway republics at gun point. But Ukraine has responded that anybody voting to join Russia will be tried for high treason.
Collusion with an invading enemy.

I believe the French did the same with French people collaborating with the invading German army during WWII.

This is what happens in war.

The votes, if they actually go ahead are going to be rigged. I've already heard of one outcome of 95% pro-Russia reported and the votes haven't even taken place yet.
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Old 23.09.2022, 20:28
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I hope you are drunk.
No, just totally disgusted with both sides. I mean just imagine; a Russia AK47 to your head if you don’t vote for Russia and a Ukrainian AK47 to your head if you do. Illegitimate SOB‘s the lot of them
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Collusion with an invading enemy.

I believe the French did the same with French people collaborating with the invading German army during WWII.

This is what happens in war.

The votes, if they actually go ahead are going to be rigged. I've already heard of one outcome of 95% pro-Russia reported and the votes haven't even taken place yet.
Yes, this is when war turns nasty.
Up until now the war has followed the rules, more or less. This is where thing go wrong. Civillians hanging from trees, there’s and yours, this is where concentration camps are spawned and people are split into combatants and non combatants and we know how this ends.
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Re: Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine

Ukraine army is dispersed, it can't be effectively targeted with a nuclear bomb. Any such attack could turn out to be ineffective even if the international relations price would be very high.
Therefore, the only logical choice is a so called countervalue target, i.e. the civilian population. Same like US strikes agains Japanese cities.
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Yes, this is when war turns nasty.
Up until now the war has followed the rules, more or less. This is where thing go wrong. Civillians hanging from trees, there’s and yours, this is where concentration camps are spawned and people are split into combatants and non combatants and we know how this ends.
Are you for f‘ing real?

Bucha?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...e-up-the-world


Izium?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-police-chief

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Are you just trying to spread Russian Vranyo?
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Old 23.09.2022, 20:48
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Ukraine army is dispersed, it can't be effectively targeted with a nuclear bomb. Any such attack could turn out to be ineffective even if the international relations price would be very high.
Therefore, the only logical choice is a so called countervalue target, i.e. the civilian population. Same like US strikes agains Japanese cities.
You don’t have to target the army per-se, you target the staging posts, you target the bottlenecks in the infrastructure, you deny areas where troops could move. Attack the rear echelon and your enemy’s army dissolves into chaos, and if you attack on your own territory, aka. The breakaway republics and the rest of the world will carp but they won’t have a casus belli.
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Old 23.09.2022, 20:55
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Are you for f‘ing real?

Bucha?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...e-up-the-world


Izium?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-police-chief

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Are you just trying to spread Russian Vranyo?
Believe me, that is a side Note. As tragic as it is, The killing hasn’t started yet, wait until a side is loosing and names their failure it on the People
I am looking at worst case here, where both UA and Russia see civillians trying to protect themselves as partisans
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Believe me, that is a side Note. As tragic as it is, The killing hasn’t started yet, wait until a side is loosing and names their failure it on the People
I am looking at worst case here, where both UA and Russia see civillians trying to protect themselves as partisans
So far China is the only clear winner of the Russia's war. Who knows, maybe China hopes that Russia exchange a few blows with Europe or US, then China would be the last man standing. As they hoped when sharing the atom bomb technology with Pakistan and North Korea.
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So far China is the only clear winner of the Russia's war. Who knows, maybe China hopes that Russia exchange a few blows with Europe or US, then China would be the last man standing. As they hoped when sharing the atom bomb technology with Pakistan and North Korea.
China plays the long game, so that would be a reasonable assessment.
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Old 23.09.2022, 22:04
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Ukraine just lost every bit of respect I had. I know war has its own rules. But it was reported on the news that Russia is holding the shammy Referendum for the two breakaway republics at gun point. But Ukraine has responded that anybody voting to join Russia will be tried for high treason. That is a dick move to an already cowed population.
In further news the claims that Russian troops committed atrocities has been proven, along with proof that Ukraine troops committed the same atrocities on captured Russian troops. I am disgusted, perhaps the nukes should fly and put a brutal full stop on this shitshow.
Do you have a source for these atrocity claims?

High Treason in Switzerland is defined as "Any person who carries out an act with the aim of severing an area of Swiss territory from the Confederation or a part of the cantonal territory from a canton.
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Old 23.09.2022, 22:41
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You don’t have to target the army per-se, you target the staging posts, you target the bottlenecks in the infrastructure, you deny areas where troops could move. Attack the rear echelon and your enemy’s army dissolves into chaos, and if you attack on your own territory, aka. The breakaway republics and the rest of the world will carp but they won’t have a casus belli.
" you target the staging posts, you target the bottlenecks in the infrastructure, you deny areas where troops could move."

If the Russians could identify and reach those areas then they would already be attacking them with conventional weapons.
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Old 23.09.2022, 23:26
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So far China is the only clear winner of the Russia's war. Who knows, maybe China hopes that Russia exchange a few blows with Europe or US, then China would be the last man standing. As they hoped when sharing the atom bomb technology with Pakistan and North Korea.
No. The US is the big winner. It is about to destroy Russia, expand NATO and is poised to replace Russia as energy provider to Europe.

Aside from RU, UA and EU, China is a big loser in this. Food and energy prices are up. Economy and trade are impacted. NATO is expanding and spending more money. EU and US are uniting and are now alert to dependance on China for various things in the same way as EU was dependant on RU for energy. Parallels between UA and TW are being drawn which makes military subjugation of TW even less acceptable than before (and TW is learning from UA and investing in defence and now maybe don't believe that China can steam-roller them in the same way that RU was assumed to steam roller UA).

Putin even, surprisingly, acknowledged Chinas 'questions and concerns' publicly revealing the tensions that this has created between RU and CN.
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Re: Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine

The US definitely want Russia to use nuclear, so it gets the excuse it wants to attack another adversary. I am always amazed when people take the side of the US against Russia or China. There shouldn't be even a debate. How many people have been killed, displaced as a result of the US tyranny.

If there is one thing the US doesn't care about, it's the lives of innocent people.
All it wants is to remain a global power. Russia has been sanctioned over 6000 different lists, and yet not once has US or any of it's allies have faced the same consequence.

The US has been poking and continues to poke Russia and China instead of calling for dialogue.

Global war is inevitable as long as the US doesn't make peace it will not remain always a super power.
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The US definitely want Russia to use nuclear, so it gets the excuse it wants to attack another adversary. I am always amazed when people take the side of the US against Russia or China. There shouldn't be even a debate. How many people have been killed, displaced as a result of the US tyranny.

If there is one thing the US doesn't care about, it's the lives of innocent people.
All it wants is to remain a global power. Russia has been sanctioned over 6000 different lists, and yet not once has US or any of it's allies have faced the same consequence.

The US has been poking and continues to poke Russia and China instead of calling for dialogue.

Global war is inevitable as long as the US doesn't make peace it will not remain always a super power.
That's that spirit, comrade. I trust you have relocated to Chelyabinsk or Chongqing already.
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Do you have a source for these atrocity claims?

High Treason in Switzerland is defined as "Any person who carries out an act with the aim of severing an area of Swiss territory from the Confederation or a part of the cantonal territory from a canton.
It was on the radio news and you can read on Tagesschau.de
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" you target the staging posts, you target the bottlenecks in the infrastructure, you deny areas where troops could move."

If the Russians could identify and reach those areas then they would already be attacking them with conventional weapons.
Well if you look at the maps and how the fighting progressed you see that the russkies tried that and failed using conventional weapons. You don’t understand, Russia is at a point where they either give up territory, or they double down, don’t forget, it does not make military sense to pour extra troops into a lost cause like the Russians are doing.
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Now that things are hotting up in the UA/RU conflict and nuclear option being flaunted once again. I was wondering what would happen if used nuclear weapons.

Let's say it was just a small nuclear attack on a small non-strategic UA village of 50 people. No military objective, just a probe attack to see how the west would respond and to threaten greater usage of nuclear weapons in the hope of pressuring UA to back down.

What responses would UA and its allies have? If there are no good options, what are the least bad ones?

I'd love to understand how the US are war-gaming these scenarios as they now get closer and closer to reality.
I would expect a preponderant counter probe, to inculcate credence of pertinaciousness and effervesce refusal to be cowed.
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There is also another possibility, Putin fears a loss of power and pops one off to assert himself and to stop the danger of being dragged through the streets and strung up by the balls like Mussolini by people tired of his shenanigans. Then there are the Kremlin hawks who see Putin as a limp wristed moderate, a nuke would make them happy and maybe stop a military coup. And a nuke to dick wave against the west to show then how far he will go.
In 2014 It was speculated that Putin would have gone nuclear in the Krim, so what has changed?
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There is also another possibility, Putin fears a loss of power and pops one off to assert himself and to stop the danger of being dragged through the streets and strung up by the balls like Mussolini by people tired of his shenanigans. Then there are the Kremlin hawks who see Putin as a limp wristed moderate, a nuke would make them happy and maybe stop a military coup. And a nuke to dick wave against the west to show then how far he will go.
In 2014 It was speculated that Putin would have gone nuclear in the Krim, so what has changed?
What has changes is that Putin now has a LOT more to lose than he did in 2014. The military might of Russia is not only much reduced thanks to horrific losses in Ukraine, but it has also become a laughing stock and mocked worldwide thanks to its awful performance and leadership. He is reported to be in poor health, increasingly emotionally unstable, and is now facing that time that all megalomaniacs face when they have to decide what legacy they want to leave. Does he, one of the shining examples of machoism and masculine insecurity in the known world, want to fade into the annals of history as a failure or does he want to go out with a bang and be remembered for standing up to his ideals, no matter the cost?

The best thing Russia can do for its future is put a bullet in his head.

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Are you for f‘ing real?

Bucha?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...e-up-the-world


Izium?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-police-chief

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Are you just trying to spread Russian Vranyo?
Slammer is imo a prime example of a confused, disenfrachised and easily suggestible individual that easily falls prey to conspiracy theories and many kinds of fringe views. Poor guy.
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What has changes is that Putin now has a

Slammer is imo a prime example of a confused, disenfrachised and easily suggestible individual that easily falls prey to conspiracy theories and many kinds of fringe views. Poor guy.
Do try an put at least a bit of effort in your insults, I think I deserve better than this lukewarm cowpat of an insult.
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