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Phil_MCR 21.09.2022 10:12

Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine
 
Now that things are hotting up in the UA/RU conflict and nuclear option being flaunted once again. I was wondering what would happen if used nuclear weapons.

Let's say it was just a small nuclear attack on a small non-strategic UA village of 50 people. No military objective, just a probe attack to see how the west would respond and to threaten greater usage of nuclear weapons in the hope of pressuring UA to back down.

What responses would UA and its allies have? If there are no good options, what are the least bad ones?

I'd love to understand how the US are war-gaming these scenarios as they now get closer and closer to reality.

slammer 21.09.2022 10:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3434649)
Now that things are hotting up in the UA/RU conflict and nuclear option being flaunted once again. I was wondering what would happen if used nuclear weapons.

Let's say it was just a small nuclear attack on a small non-strategic UA village of 50 people. No military objective, just a probe attack to see how the west would respond and to threaten greater usage of nuclear weapons in the hope of pressuring UA to back down.

What responses would UA and its allies have? If there are no good options, what are the least bad ones?

I'd love to understand how the US are war-gaming these scenarios as they now get closer and closer to reality.

I have always said that Putin could go nuclear if he is pushed too far, both military with weapons from the west and economically via sanctions. Best case is that the US supplies Ukraine with tactical nukes and tells Selensky to have fun. Worst case? The sky is the limit.
I can also imagine the US supplying nukes as a deterrent.

komsomolez 21.09.2022 10:32

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Stupid click bait headline, and didn't that have space in the other thread?

bowlie 21.09.2022 10:35

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Agreed as I’ve ignored that thread.

slammer 21.09.2022 10:49

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Sadly not click bait, in a report from dpa (Deutsche Presse Agentur) it is confirmed that Putin has ordered a partial mobilization and has ordered the nuclear forces in a higher state of readiness. The two breakaway republics are set to vote to join the Russian federation. That would mean that any Ukraine attack will be seen as an attack on Russian territory and according to Russian military doctrine..... Boom!

Susie-Q 21.09.2022 11:00

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Not click bait:

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia accelerated his war effort in Ukraine on Wednesday, announcing a new mobilization campaign that would mean calling up roughly 300,000 additional soldiers at a time when his troops have suffered humiliating losses on the battlefield.

In a rare videotaped address to the nation, Mr. Putin stopped short of declaring a full, national draft but instead called for a “partial mobilization” of people with military experience. He said that Russia’s goals in Ukraine had not changed and that the move was “necessary and urgent” because the West had “crossed all lines” by providing sophisticated weapons to Ukraine.

He accused the United States and Europe of engaging in “nuclear blackmail” but warned that Russia has “lots of weapons” in response.

“To those who allow themselves such statements about Russia, I want to remind you that our country also has various means of destruction, and some components are more modern than those of the NATO countries,” he said. “And if the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we will certainly use all the means at our disposal to protect Russia and our people. This is not a bluff.”


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09...aine-war-putin

Susie-Q 21.09.2022 11:10

Re: Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3434649)
Let's say it was just a small nuclear attack on a small non-strategic UA village of 50 people. No military objective, just a probe attack to see how the west would respond and to threaten greater usage of nuclear weapons in the hope of pressuring UA to back down..

Is there such a thing as a "small" nuclear attack??

I am not well versed on weapons of war, but that doesn't seem possible - and if it is, I am sure it would still be the beginning of WWIII - although I'm sure even China and India would distance themselves if Putin strikes first.

keyboardandmouse 21.09.2022 11:12

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3434658)
Not click bait:

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia accelerated his war effort in Ukraine on Wednesday, announcing a new mobilization campaign that would mean calling up roughly 300,000 additional soldiers at a time when his troops have suffered humiliating losses on the battlefield.

In a rare videotaped address to the nation, Mr. Putin stopped short of declaring a full, national draft but instead called for a “partial mobilization” of people with military experience. He said that Russia’s goals in Ukraine had not changed and that the move was “necessary and urgent” because the West had “crossed all lines” by providing sophisticated weapons to Ukraine.

He accused the United States and Europe of engaging in “nuclear blackmail” but warned that Russia has “lots of weapons” in response.

“To those who allow themselves such statements about Russia, I want to remind you that our country also has various means of destruction, and some components are more modern than those of the NATO countries,” he said. “And if the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we will certainly use all the means at our disposal to protect Russia and our people. This is not a bluff.”


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09...aine-war-putin

As I already said on the other thread tactical nuclear weapons are the threat. He wont try and flatten London, the risk is by proclaiming the region as russian and then Ukraine carries on into it, he could chuck in a small, tactical nuclear weapon "in self defence" because from their perspective its an invasion of Russia now, something to which they will respond to, they have said publicly.

slammer 21.09.2022 11:22

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Originally Posted by komsomolez (Post 3434652)
Stupid click bait headline, and didn't that have space in the other thread?

Jeez Komsomolez, you are quick on the groan trigger. I mean this is happening right now. If you want to groan, groan at Putin.

komsomolez 21.09.2022 11:29

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Originally Posted by slammer (Post 3434669)
Jeez Komsomolez, you are quick on the groan trigger. I mean this is happening right now. If you want to groan, groan at Putin.

No. There is no Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine. There are signals of weakness from the Kremlin, supported by the Chinese now calling for peace talks.

Y'all need to calm down. And move back to the other thread.

Susie-Q 21.09.2022 11:30

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Originally Posted by keyboardandmouse (Post 3434665)
As I already said on the other thread tactical nuclear weapons are the threat. He wont try and flatten London, the risk is by proclaiming the region as russian and then Ukraine carries on into it, he could chuck in a small, tactical nuclear weapon "in self defence" because from their perspective its an invasion of Russia now, something to which they will respond to, they have said publicly.

Apologies, I have been away from EF for a bit and did not recall that thread.

Perhaps the title should be changed to "Russia and Ukraine War" and all related posts can be made there.

Axa 21.09.2022 11:34

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Originally Posted by slammer (Post 3434656)
Sadly not click bait, in a report from dpa (Deutsche Presse Agentur) it is confirmed that Putin has ordered a partial mobilization and has ordered the nuclear forces in a higher state of readiness. The two breakaway republics are set to vote to join the Russian federation. That would mean that any Ukraine attack will be seen as an attack on Russian territory and according to Russian military doctrine..... Boom!

You're late to the party.

Nuclear forces are in high alert since Feb 27 2022. https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...e5a2f936725550

Or, is this a higher more high highestest state of readiness as the last months?

Susie-Q 21.09.2022 11:39

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3434674)
Or, is this a higher more high highestest state of readiness as the last months?

Putin is about to lose and he's more of a cornered rat than he's ever been ...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dx...feels-cornered

Ato 21.09.2022 11:40

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3434674)
You're late to the party.

Nuclear forces are in high alert since Feb 27 2022. https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...e5a2f936725550

Or, is this a higher more high highestest state of readiness as the last months?

They've yet to reach the "Really much higher than super serious high alert" threshold, then we'll know they're serious.

komsomolez 21.09.2022 11:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3434678)
Putin is about to lose and he's more of a cornered rat than he's ever been ...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dx...feels-cornered

This piece is from 1 March. Written by a hack who normally writes on Trump - in Vice of all publications - and seems to have no credentials on anything Russia. Lame.

Chuff 21.09.2022 11:54

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Why does this need its own thread when we already have the main Ukraine war thread? Maximum scaremongering impact?

Susie-Q 21.09.2022 11:54

Re: Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by komsomolez (Post 3434680)
This piece is from 1 March. Written by a hack who normally writes on Trump - in Vice of all publications - and seems to have no credentials on anything Russia. Lame.

I didn't realize I had to post articles from today or this week about Putin's character.

That story is confirmed and has been told by many lauded experts on Putin and Russia.

Denying how dangerous Putin is right now = LAME

Axa 21.09.2022 12:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3434684)
Why does this need its own thread when we already have the main Ukraine war thread? Maximum scaremongering impact?

Always consider the possibility of EF being a channel for everyone's fears and frustrations. There's also the fear Phil_MCR is also displaying on the high interest rate thread and connect the dots. I don't think it's trolling, just pure anxiety and existential dread.

keyboardandmouse 21.09.2022 12:04

Re: Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3434687)
Always consider the possibility of EF being a channel for everyone's fears and frustrations. There's also the fear Phil_MCR is also displaying on the high interest rate thread and connect the dots. I don't think it's trolling, just pure anxiety and existential dread.

Now im scared.

slammer 21.09.2022 12:12

Re: Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by komsomolez (Post 3434671)
No. There is no Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine. There are signals of weakness from the Kremlin, supported by the Chinese now calling for peace talks.

Y'all need to calm down. And move back to the other thread.

Well I do hope you are right. However I also think that one can express ones fears and doubts without „sanctions“
I don’t think that Putin will roll over if the Chinese ask nicely, and I don’t see a Situation like Britain during the Suez Crisis where Truman told the British government to cut that shit out.


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