The 2024 US presidential election thread. - Page 2

komsomolez · #21 19.12.2022, 20:39

	Quote:	bowlie
	So it looks like Mr. Trump will be indicted on some pretty serious criminal charges. Of course he will counter-sue and basically do whatever can be done to discrdit defer and delay. A simple question what does this do to his intention to stand for President. Obviously these criminal charges wont be dealt with to finality by November 2024.

No. DOJ does not need a referral and neither does a referral oblige DOJ to charge.

Ato · #22 19.12.2022, 20:40

	Quote:	bowlie
	So it looks like Mr. Trump will be indicted on some pretty serious criminal charges. Of course he will counter-sue and basically do whatever can be done to discrdit defer and delay. A simple question what does this do to his intention to stand for President. Obviously these criminal charges wont be dealt with to finality by November 2024.

He'll shout from everywhere, rooftops, golf courses, garden centers, that this is all a political witchhunt. No change to his intention to run.

bowlie · #23 19.12.2022, 21:48

Actually my question is can he run if there is a criminal indictment against him?

komsomolez · #24 19.12.2022, 21:49

	Quote:	bowlie
	Actually my question is can he run if there is a criminal indictment against him?

Yes. He can even run if convicted of a felony.

komsomolez · #25 19.12.2022, 22:18

	Quote:	Ato
	If he manages to create a genuine lasting 3rd party in US politics, I think it would be great. Double haters can then become triple haters. Someone would have to take the middle ground, possibly a fourth party. It's all a pipe dream though. For the next election though, he'd sink the republican efforts, or make them laser focus on where they wish to differentiate themselves from a man who changes his stance depending on the last person he's talked to.

I think Trump will stay in the race - Republican or independent - as long as possible in order to keep the small donor donations coming in. That is his life line.

marton · #26 19.12.2022, 23:37

	Quote:	komsomolez
	No. DOJ does not need a referral and neither does a referral oblige DOJ to charge.

True but the committee has amassed a lot of evidence that will be difficult for the DOJ to ignore.

marton · #27 19.12.2022, 23:48

"Lawmakers reached an agreement today to include in must-pass legislation a measure aimed at making it harder to overturn a certified presidential election, marking the first legislative response to the US Capitol insurrection and then-President Donald Trump’s relentless pressure campaign to stay in power despite his 2020 loss.

Several congressional sources told CNN that the legislation – to overhaul the 1887 Electoral Count Act – will be added to a bill to fund the federal government before Friday’s deadline to avoid a shutdown.
If it becomes law, as is expected, the vice president’s role would be clarified to be completely ceremonial while overseeing the certification of the electoral result.
It also would raise the threshold in Congress to make it harder for lawmakers to force votes attempting to overturn a state’s certified result and prevent efforts to pass along fake electors to Congress."

Pancakes · #28 20.12.2022, 00:15

What worries me is how much election fraud Trump and his team would be willing to commit for a win in 2024. He wasn't willing to lose in 2020. I find it doubtful that he'd be willing to lose a second time around.

So the DOJ is headed by the Attorney General, which is currently Merrick Garland, who was appointed by Biden. So how does the DOJ go about deciding whether or not to follow through and indict Trump? Does it just primarily come down to a decision made by Garland?

komsomolez · #29 20.12.2022, 09:58

	Quote:	komsomolez
	Yes. He can even run if convicted of a felony.

One of the four recommended charges is for "assisting an insurrection". If convicted of this, he "shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

You may argue he was that already before.

Susie-Q · #30 20.12.2022, 10:25

I still don't understand what Trump's endgame was on January 6th, did he believe he could get his MAGA cult members to barge in to the capitol and legitimately change the election results? Did he expect Pence to bend over (like he did for most of his presidency) when he saw the hangman's noose and guillotine?

He really cannot walk away from all this unscathed ...

komsomolez · #31 20.12.2022, 10:47

	Quote:	Susie-Q
	I still don't understand what Trump's endgame was on January 6th

Trump has no endgame. He is winging it. Always has, always will.

robBob · #32 20.12.2022, 10:57

	Quote:	komsomolez
	Trump has no endgame. He is winging it. Always has, always will.

He's a master builder businessman.

TetraShiva · #33 20.12.2022, 11:39

	Quote:	Ato
	If he manages to create a genuine lasting 3rd party in US politics, I think it would be great. Double haters can then become triple haters. Someone would have to take the middle ground, possibly a fourth party. It's all a pipe dream though.

If Ross Perot couldn't establish a 3rd party with 19% of the vote in 1992, I fail to see how Trump could do the same, especially with him being on the outs with the establishment. However, I could see him playing spoiler like Perot.

DeSantis doing well in Florida is like Ted Cruz doing well in Texas: it's expected. Florida is only purple when it comes to presidential elections. For governors it's leaned heavily right for nearly 20 years.

I think DeSantis is going to have a harder time in a general election. Speeches about 'fighting the woke mob!' aren't going to appeal to anyone but those already voting for the right. Not to mention he lacks the charisma, height, and surprise factor that helped Trump the first time. Finally, people on the left are energized, as seen in the surprise midterm turnout, an election they typically tend to vote in much lesser numbers than in presidential elections.

Susie-Q · #34 20.12.2022, 11:41

	Quote:	TetraShiva
	DeSantis doing well in Florida is like Ted Cruz doing well in Texas: it's expected. Florida is only purple when it comes to presidential elections. For governors it's leaned heavily right for nearly 20 years.

Not sure about that - as a Texan, I can inform you nearly everyone hates Cruz in Texas. He is only elected because he is GOP ... and I think it would be a close election should he run again.

bowlie · #35 20.12.2022, 11:48

The Republican primaries are where Mr. Trump will decide to go it alone. ie if he doesn’t get the nomination. That will ensure the Democrat, whoever it is, will win.

komsomolez · #36 20.12.2022, 13:17

	Quote:	Susie-Q
	Not sure about that - as a Texan, I can inform you nearly everyone hates Cruz in Texas. He is only elected because he is GOP ... and I think it would be a close election should he run again.

https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/set...proval-trend-0

Susie-Q · #37 20.12.2022, 14:51

	Quote:	komsomolez
	https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/set...proval-trend-0

Ted Cruz BOOED, HUMILIATED in his OWN state at championship parade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qWFe3TD0wk

komsomolez · #38 20.12.2022, 15:00

	Quote:	Susie-Q
	Ted Cruz BOOED, HUMILIATED in his OWN state at championship parade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qWFe3TD0wk

LOL, very representative. I have never been to a sports game where attending politicians who wanted to steal some of the glory did not get booed.

PS: And now that I am getting red rep by some twat here - I am stating facts on the measureable approval ratings of Ted Cruz that seems to be differing from Susie's perception. I don't know why this is problematic.

kiwiguy08 · #39 20.12.2022, 15:44

	Quote:	TetraShiva
	If Ross Perot couldn't establish a 3rd party with 19% of the vote in 1992, I fail to see how Trump could do the same, especially with him being on the outs with the establishment. However, I could see him playing spoiler like Perot. DeSantis doing well in Florida is like Ted Cruz doing well in Texas: it's expected. Florida is only purple when it comes to presidential elections. For governors it's leaned heavily right for nearly 20 years. I think DeSantis is going to have a harder time in a general election. Speeches about 'fighting the woke mob!' aren't going to appeal to anyone but those already voting for the right. Not to mention he lacks the charisma, height, and surprise factor that helped Trump the first time. Finally, people on the left are energized, as seen in the surprise midterm turnout, an election they typically tend to vote in much lesser numbers than in presidential elections.

DeSantis won in 2018 by only ca 32k votes. Hardly a heavily right win

Susie-Q · #40 20.12.2022, 15:49

	Quote:	komsomolez
	LOL, very representative. I have never been to a sports game where attending politicians who wanted to steal some of the glory did not get booed. PS: And now that I am getting red rep by some twat here - I am stating facts on the measureable approval ratings of Ted Cruz that seems to be differing from Susie's perception. I don't know why this is problematic.

Jeez dude, even though it wasn't me, don't take it personally.

I don't trust any of those approval ratings at all ... they have consistently shown to be inaccurate. Every single person I know back home that is GOP would gladly replace Cruz with another Republican, they just haven't gotten the chance. Cruz came close to losing even against a Democrat last election, and that was before Fled Cruz escaped to Cancun during the power black out crisis in 2021.

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/11...race-40-years/