The 2024 US presidential election thread.

[MattyRedSox]

If Trump can have a thread, his main opponent might as well too. Especially as he is considered the leading Republican candidate (factoring in that he doesn’t have nearly the name recognition that Trump does).

Anyway, he’s the governor of Florida, who easily won his reelection. He’s a smarter version of Trump, more or less. The guy that sent a plane full of migrants to Martha’s Vineyard in September.

That might bite him in the ——. I doubt that he’ll go to jail, but he’s likely in some trouble over that.

https://politicsvideochannel.com/ron...t-of-migrants/

[bowlie]

Actually it would be better with a single US politics thread. We are still 23 months away from the next vote.

[kiwiguy08]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Actually it would be better with a single US politics thread. We are still 23 months away from the next vote.

Fully agreed, the amount of hair pulling over GOP here is hilarious

[robBob]

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	Fully agreed, the amount of hair pulling over GOP here is hilarious

Its not called the Grand Old Party for nothing!

[marton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Actually it would be better with a single US politics thread. We are still 23 months away from the next vote.

Sadly Pennsylvania Republicans are reconsidering their war against mail voting.

“There’s no question in my mind that Republicans have to have a different mail-in strategy,” said Andy Reilly, a Republican National Committeeman in Pennsylvania. “When one party votes for 30 days and one party votes for one, you’re definitely going to lose.”

In this year’s gubernatorial race, Democrat winner Shapiro received more than 1 million votes by mail, according to Pennsylvania’s Department of State. GOP Mastriano only 187,000.
Even in the closer Senate race, Democrat winner John Fetterman collected 960,000 mail ballots, while Mehmet Oz took in just 234,000.

[MattyRedSox]

Such nonsense will really endear him to the middle of the road voter - Not.

Overwhelmingly election deniers were nominated by Republicans this year, and sent packing in the general election.

Keep it up. I’m good with that. And I’m certain that Kiwiguy will come crying “but Democrats funded and voted for those guys in the primaries.” Good. That’s smart, if the GOP allows them, why not!

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/03/tru...d-constitution

[komsomolez]

Dems supporting extreme GOP candidates through the primaries may have worked out now. I think it remains an incredibly risky and therefore dumb strategy, and if it goes wrong the damage is potentially irrepairable. Kari Lake came within a few thousand votes in Arizona.

[marton]

	Quote:	komsomolez
	Dems supporting extreme GOP candidates through the primaries may have worked out now. I think it remains an incredibly risky and therefore dumb strategy, and if it goes wrong the damage is potentially irrepairable. Kari Lake came within a few thousand votes in Arizona.

Not so an incredibly risky and therefore dumb strategy as standing back and allowing an electable GOP candidate to be nominated.

In the nomination, Lake narrowly defeated Karrin Taylor Robson who was far more appealing to the middle of the road voters.

From Karrin
"What we see in AZ's GOP today is fealty to one man, what we need is fealty to core conservative principles."

[komsomolez]

	Quote:	marton
	From Karrin "What we see in AZ's GOP today is fealty to one man, what we need is fealty to core conservative principles."

Sounds good to me as long as they accept that the voters can send them packing if they don't perform.

But yes, I see your point, if Dems just want to stay in power, they go for the divide and conquer strategy.

[marton]

Actually amusing to see DeSantis taking a lesson from Trump's playbook by pretending to be one of the common herd attacking the elite when his education included Harvard Law School and Yale University.

Lucky for him GOP voters are so gullible to take such games at face value.

[slammer]

Whut, Trump... is he still a thang?

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	slammer
	Whut, Trump... is he still a thang?

Sadly, yes.

[marton]

An amusing result of a poll in Utah on who should be the GOP nominee for President. Liz Cheney beat Trump, I am sure nobody in his team will have the guts to tell him.

	Quote:
	An Institute of Politics poll of Utah voters found DeSantis with a decisive lead in a hypothetical Republican presidential primary, at 24.2 percent, followed by Cheney with 16.4 percent. Trump came in third place with 14.6 percent, nearly 2 points below Cheney and nearly 10 points behind the Florida governor

[marton]

DeSantis has ever improved poll results and is now leading in most polls.
His two major challenges are to win over the Trump cult and to win the swing votes while he slides ever further right.
Likely he will follow the recent GOP pattern and win the nomination but stumble at the general election.

[robBob]

	Quote:	marton
	DeSantis has ever improved poll results and is now leading in most polls. His two major challenges are to win over the Trump cult and to win the swing votes while he slides ever further right. Likely he will follow the recent GOP pattern and win the nomination but stumble at the general election.

Why should he stumble?

[marton]

	Quote:	robBob
	Why should he stumble?

Because Trump will play dog in the manger and either tell his cult not to vote for him or, worst case, stand as an independent.

The swing voters will not vote for him because he is moving too far right, attacking Fauci and the Covid vaccine, so moving right of Trump plus increased abortion restrictions with no exceptions for rape and incest.

[komsomolez]

	Quote:	marton
	Because Trump will play dog in the manger and either tell his cult not to vote for him or, worst case, stand as an independent. The swing voters will not vote for him because he is moving too far right, attacking Fauci and the Covid vaccine, so moving right of Trump plus increased abortion restrictions with no exceptions for rape and incest.

Abortion legal up to 15 weeks. Exceptions for health of mother and child thereafter. Just saying.

[marton]

An opinion piece about the risk of Trump running as an independent.

[Ato]

	Quote:	marton
	An opinion piece about the risk of Trump running as an independent.

If he manages to create a genuine lasting 3rd party in US politics, I think it would be great. Double haters can then become triple haters. Someone would have to take the middle ground, possibly a fourth party. It's all a pipe dream though.

For the next election though, he'd sink the republican efforts, or make them laser focus on where they wish to differentiate themselves from a man who changes his stance depending on the last person he's talked to.

[bowlie]

So it looks like Mr. Trump will be indicted on some pretty serious criminal charges. Of course he will counter-sue and basically do whatever can be done to discrdit defer and delay.

A simple question what does this do to his intention to stand for President. Obviously these criminal charges wont be dealt with to finality by November 2024.