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Many dead in Madrid plane crash

At least 100 people have been killed after a passenger plane swerved off the runway at Madrid's Barajas airport, Spanish officials say.
Many others were hurt when the Spanair plane bound for the Canary Islands left the runway with 172 people on board.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7572643.stm
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Re: Many dead in Madrid plane crash

It is always a sad day when any tragedies like this happen. My condolences go out to all relatives, friends and family of the passengers and crew involved.
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Re: Many dead in Madrid plane crash

Apparently it went back to the terminal 30 mins after taxiing out, then crashed after it left again.
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Old 20.08.2008, 19:36
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Re: Many dead in Madrid plane crash

According to El Mundo, it is 140 deads and 27 in critical condition. No one is willing to offer an explanation for what happened.

It has been an annus horribilis for Spanair - they had to reduce 1/3 of their staff earlier this year due to cost savings and cut several non-interesting routes.

It is all very sad - my sincere condolences to all those who were affected.
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A week ago, my parents were also in a plane that had to come back to Madrid from the company TAM (they were going to Sao Paulo, its a brazilian airline). One of the engines caught fire. They freaked out so bad. I hope everything goes well when they come back.

I wonder what is happening to airlines lately...are they cutting costs and taking too many risks? It's not really the low-cost that are having those accidents...Spanair is a good carrier and so is TAM (supposedely).

I am sad...My heart is with the families...
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Madrid plane crash

What do you guys think about the crash and any ideas to reduce the plane crashes?

I think that they should atleast place cameras some where around the runways to get the real situation when the accident happens.
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Old 21.08.2008, 16:04
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What do you guys think about the crash and any ideas to reduce the plane crashes?

I think that they should atleast place cameras some where around the runways to get the real situation when the accident happens.
How would photo's be useful, considering the causes of most plane crashes?
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A bad thing. Many ideas. In fact I specialise in these ideas.

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Old 21.08.2008, 16:07
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Re: Madrid plane crash

CNN and the other "news" organizations would benefit. I think that's it.

Black boxes (flight data and cockpit voice recorders) have become pretty sophisticated.
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Re: Madrid plane crash

What I'm keen to finding out is where in the plane were the survivors seated? I'm a completely paranoid flight passenger and perform a myriad nonsensical calculations about how I will end up atop a heap of smoldering metal.

I have heard that if you survive the crash, you need to survive the smoke. Within 7 seats of an exit will do, except the middle of the plane which is where they tend to snap.

Metal bird bad!
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How would photo's be useful, considering the causes of most plane crashes?
At least we can get a feed of how the plane is behaving while takeoff and landing, which are the main things during a flight.
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What do you guys think about the crash and any ideas to reduce the plane crashes?

Dont let McDonnell-Douglas manufacture them?

I caught the end of a report on the news about the fact that most of the major plane crashes in the world are their planes (before the merger with boeing)

Im sure several people on the forum who are more in the know than me can clarify.
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At least we can get a feed of how the plane is behaving while takeoff and landing, which are the main things during a flight.
Pictures wont give you the data necessary.
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Pictures wont give you the data necessary.
At least we would know an engine or a wing is on fire and the rescue operations can be started immediately.
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EU-OPS, SMS resulting from such requirements. JAR-25 for the aeroplane. TAWS, TCAS, RNP for guaranteed route performance. Pilot training, ATM procedures, evacuation procedures, crisis management and so on. Its a big subject. Read some EASA and Eurocontrol documentation if it is a subject that interests you.

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Dont let McDonnell-Douglas manufacture them?

I caught the end of a report on the news about the fact that most of the major plane crashes in the world are their planes (before the merger with boeing)

Im sure several people on the forum who are more in the know than me can clarify.
I didnt think there were any more McDonnell-Douglas planes out there since the problem with their cargo bay doors. Cargo bay door didnt latch properly and almost caused an accident. Investigators ordered that the latching system be redesigned - McDonnell-Douglas ignored them and applied their own method of fixing the problem (im sure it consisted of blutac and clingfilm) - unfortunately this wasnt suitable and the second incident the plane crashed killing all on board.

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??? There are hundreds of MD-80s (though mainly phased out in Europe, Swissair was the launch customer!). The aircraft in question was 20 years old (average life of airline 27 years), and being a charter would be highly loaded. On takeoff it would be full of fuel operating close to maximum weight and an engine failure past the point of no return (technical defn) can be catastrophic.

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A week ago, my parents were also in a plane that had to come back to Madrid from the company TAM (they were going to Sao Paulo, its a brazilian airline). One of the engines caught fire. They freaked out so bad. I hope everything goes well when they come back.

I wonder what is happening to airlines lately...are they cutting costs and taking too many risks? It's not really the low-cost that are having those accidents...Spanair is a good carrier and so is TAM (supposedely).
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Quantas had a 44% profit increase this quater.... wonder how they saved money with all the rising fuel costs??

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There has not been a serious airliner crash in Europe for several years past. Given the potential for things to go wrong it is very safe indeed.

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A week ago, my parents were also in a plane that had to come back to Madrid from the company TAM (they were going to Sao Paulo, its a brazilian airline). One of the engines caught fire. They freaked out so bad. I hope everything goes well when they come back.

I wonder what is happening to airlines lately...are they cutting costs and taking too many risks? It's not really the low-cost that are having those accidents...Spanair is a good carrier and so is TAM (supposedely).

I am sad...My heart is with the families...
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At least we would know an engine or a wing is on fire and the rescue operations can be started immediately.
That wasn't an issue in the present case. FIrst helo on spot 2 minutes, fire brigade primary release on site 3 minutes, first 5 ambulances on site after 5 minutes. Disaster Management Staff in the province (Madrid) operable after 33 minutes, last members arrive at T+68 minutes (and this during the nationwide holidays).

Moreover a plume of smoke from an engine fire is difficult to miss.
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