Germany NYE 2022 - Page 11

Susie-Q · #**201** 09.01.2023, 11:56

	Quote:	Tom1234
	Tony, what are conservative Christian values?

The politicians that normally represent those values are on their third or fourth marriage, have had out of wedlock pregnancies, avoid paying taxes etc. etc.

Meanwhile this agnostic liberal has been married for twenty one years, has had no out of wedlock pregnancies and I pay my taxes.

ShirleyNot · #**202** 09.01.2023, 12:05

	Quote:	Tom1234
	Tony, what are conservative Christian values?

Oh you know... Love thy neighbour, feed the poor, treat others how you would be treated yourself, don't judge, forgive others, something about not casting stones unless you're without sin. All that woke stuff...

NewInTownForever · #**203** 09.01.2023, 12:16

	Quote:	Dack Rambo
	Germany should ask itself why so many of the most talented and hard working young Germans prefer to move to Switzerland.

I suppose all those automotive engineers working for BMW, Tesla, etc... can't wait to move here for work for the non-existant Swiss automotive industry.
Or the ones working for AirBus or the ESA are also looking forward to find job...nowhere.

roegner · #**204** 09.01.2023, 12:49

	Quote:	NewInTownForever
	I suppose all those automotive engineers working for BMW, Tesla, etc... can't wait to move here for work for the non-existant Swiss automotive industry. Or the ones working for AirBus or the ESA are also looking forward to find job...nowhere.

Doesn´t say they will then move to Germany. Why are there so many Germans working in Switzerland? Because they loved it so much in Germany?

komsomolez · #**205** 09.01.2023, 12:51

	Quote:	roegner
	Doesn´t say they will then move to Germany. Why are there so many Germans working in Switzerland? Because they loved it so much in Germany?

Of course it is better here in many ways. Language also helps. But economically, you can make the same argument for Dutch, Polish, English, Spanish etc.

cdcdoc · #**206** 09.01.2023, 12:56

	Quote:	ShirleyNot
	Oh you know... Love thy neighbour, feed the poor, treat others how you would be treated yourself, don't judge, forgive others, something about not casting stones unless you're without sin. All that woke stuff...

This is exactly SVP

greenmount · #**207** 09.01.2023, 13:01

	Quote:	roegner
	Doesn´t say they will then move to Germany. Why are there so many Germans working in Switzerland? Because they loved it so much in Germany?

Money? How much does one earn here in every possible job compared to Germany? How much disposable income, savings one has here? How beautiful, clean, well organised, with people who let you be and polite, is Switzerland? It definitely scores extremely well in every aspect of life for all of us not only Germans. Proximity to their home country where many can still shop in weekends, visit relatives, same language, etc etc
Meantime the low skilled as well as highly skilled positions in Germany were replaced with Eastern Europeans. For whom, again, Germany is better than their home countries. How can we stop that??

	Quote:	komsomolez
	Of course it is better here in many ways. Language also helps. But economically, you can make the same argument for Dutch, Polish, English, Spanish etc.

Italians, French etc too.

I have only one desire when I'm thinking of these things, just to keep things as they are and not piss off the natives.....too much.

Axa · #**208** 09.01.2023, 13:13

	Quote:	Dack Rambo
	Germany should ask itself why so many of the most talented and hard working young Germans prefer to move to Switzerland.

It gets really interesting to look at the numbers.

About 5% of German citizens are registered as living abroad. This is thelocal.de, if you have better source pls share https://www.thelocal.de/20191206/mor...sional-reasons

There are about 788K Swiss citizens living abroad for a total population of 8.7 million (including foreigners). That's 9% or almost twice as Germany.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa...itzerland.html https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...opulation.html

The fraction of Swiss living abroad rises to 12% considering there's only 6.494 million citizens in Ch.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa...itzerland.html

If we use the metric of fraction of citizens living abroad, Switzerland should be a really bad place to live. So, I'd refrain from linking number of emigrants to life conditions.

roegner · #**209** 09.01.2023, 13:17

	Quote:	Axa
	It gets really interesting to look at the numbers. About 5% of German citizens are registered as living abroad. This is thelocal.de, if you have better source pls share https://www.thelocal.de/20191206/mor...sional-reasons There are about 788K Swiss citizens living abroad for a total population of 8.7 million (including foreigners). That's 9% or almost twice as Germany. https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa...itzerland.html https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...opulation.html The fraction of Swiss living abroad rises to 12% considering there's only 6.494 million citizens in Ch. https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa...itzerland.html If we use the metric of fraction of citizens living abroad, Switzerland should be a really bad place to live. So, I'd refrain from linking number of emigrants to life conditions.

How many of these were born abroad or got a passport abroad due to their partner?
I´d imagine that a lot of Swiss people - a lomg time ago - left when their country wasn´t as well off as it is now?

cdcdoc · #**210** 09.01.2023, 13:25

And right now in 20 Minuten:

SVP-MITGLIED:
«Ich wurde 19 Mal als Nazi bezeichnet»

https://www.20min.ch/story/ich-wurde...t-557042638799

Axa · #**211** 09.01.2023, 13:30

	Quote:	roegner
	How many of these were born abroad or got a passport abroad due to their partner? I´d imagine that a lot of Swiss people - a lomg time ago - left when their country wasn´t as well off as it is now?

It's a comparison with Germany. I think it was a long time ago since Germany had better overall conditions than CH.

greenmount · #**212** 09.01.2023, 13:38

	Quote:	cdcdoc
	And right now in 20 Minuten: SVP-MITGLIED: «Ich wurde 19 Mal als Nazi bezeichnet» https://www.20min.ch/story/ich-wurde...t-557042638799

Yeah, and she still doesn't believe women with a migration background are primarily targeted.

In fact she seems comfortable with this idea

	Quote:
	"If you want to disparage and insult someone personally, you look for certain points to attack a person."

(how true, isn't it...)

Translated by google, from the article

	Quote:
	Sanija Ameti, co-president of Operation Libero and member of the GLP, started a debate at the beginning of the year: she decided to publish some of the malicious letters she receives every day anonymously. There are up to 100 a day, and senders are often men with typical Swiss names, says Ameti. The devaluation of women, especially those with a migration background, has a system in Switzerland. She wants to show that. Sarah Regez, a student and SVP member in the canton of Basel-Landschaft, also explains what one experiences as a politically exposed person in Switzerland. She writes on Twitter: "I've been referred to as N*zi 19 times since joining the SVP. How long is your tally?" Regez recently said in a portrait of the "SonntagsZeitung" how she experiences exclusion at the university because she refuses to use gender language.

Urs Max · #**213** 09.01.2023, 14:05

	Quote:	greenmount
	Yeah, and she still doesn't believe women with a migration background are primarily targeted. In fact she seems comfortable with this idea (how true, isn't it...) Translated by google, from the article

How does she know who sends them when they're supposedly anonymous?
Logic isn't everybody's forte, it's enough to play into prejudices and stereotypes.

Urs Max · #**214** 09.01.2023, 14:09

	Quote:	Axa
	It's a comparison with Germany. I think it was a long time ago since Germany had better overall conditions than CH.

A comparison that makes zero sense.

Germany's ten times larger, and you're comparing the total population abroad of one country to the immigration into one single country of the other.

greenmount · #**215** 09.01.2023, 14:13

	Quote:	Urs Max
	How does she know who sends them when they're supposedly anonymous? Logic isn't everybody's forte, it's enough to play into prejudices and stereotypes.

You're right, probably the senders take up fake typical Swiss names (like a "pen name")...but she shouldn't assume they're all Swiss.

Axa · #**216** 09.01.2023, 14:16

	Quote:	Urs Max
	A comparison that makes zero sense. Germany's ten times larger, and you're comparing the total population abroad of one country to the immigration into one single country of the other.

Percentages are difficult sometimes, but read again

When you work with percentages, the 10x in population is irrelevant.

	Quote:
	Currently, five percent of Germans live abroad.

Anyway, if this number is wrong. What's the right one?

marton · #**217** 09.01.2023, 14:16

	Quote:	NewInTownForever
	I suppose all those automotive engineers working for BMW, Tesla, etc... can't wait to move here for work for the non-existant Swiss automotive industry. Or the ones working for AirBus or the ESA are also looking forward to find job...nowhere.

Plenty of jobs for airbus engineers in Switzerland, look here.

Axa · #**218** 09.01.2023, 14:34

	Quote:	marton
	Plenty of jobs for airbus engineers in Switzerland, look here.

OMG, we are now Zurich metropolitan area

TonyClifton · #**219** 09.01.2023, 14:54

	Quote:	komsomolez
	So the new narrative of the state media is that police might have targeted immigrants so they are over-represented in the arrest figures ... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-nye-vi...ion/a-64302310

Took a while, but now we get the spin.

	Quote:	Tom1234
	Tony, what are conservative Christian values?

I do like these questions from people who don't understand (or rather pretend not to) how or why the West came to the settlements that it did over religion, or how Christianity has formed a cornerstone of Western tradition. Preferring to imagine everything we can be grateful for today simply sprung out of thin air.

cdcdoc · #**220** 09.01.2023, 14:56

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I do like these questions from people who don't understand (or rather pretend not to) how or why the West came to the settlements that it did over religion, or how Christianity has formed a cornerstone of Western tradition. Preferring to imagine everything we can be grateful for today simply sprung out of thin air.

You are avoiding the question