 | | | 
07.01.2023, 12:00
|  | Moderately Dutch | | Join Date: May 2011 Location: Zurich
Posts: 13,221
Groaned at 422 Times in 358 Posts
Thanked 18,017 Times in 8,215 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | A few years after the Wende- 93.
As said, I still have many friends there, we write and visit each other, we talk about the current situation. Although working in ex East Berlin, they grew up in Ribnitz, Rostock, Dresden- in the 70s and 80s. They experienced neo-nazis first hand- then, and now.
Have you ever been to Marzahn? | | | | | Yes. And all the other districts. I have a house in the south of Berlin.
| The following 3 users would like to thank roegner for this useful post: | | 
07.01.2023, 12:06
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Zurich City
Posts: 7,568
Groaned at 584 Times in 339 Posts
Thanked 9,304 Times in 4,314 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | |
Have you ever been to Marzahn?
| | | | | Have you never seen Cindy from Marzahn?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEaa...WE0ZlH&index=3 | This user would like to thank ZuriRollt for this useful post: | | 
07.01.2023, 12:10
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 5,217
Groaned at 895 Times in 566 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,720 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022
Ignore is just bliss.
| This user groans at JackieH for this post: | | 
07.01.2023, 12:25
| Banned | | Join Date: May 2021 Location: transcended.
Posts: 180
Groaned at 231 Times in 121 Posts
Thanked 857 Times in 366 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022
thats how the lügenpresse and their supporters operate - emphasise any crimes or misdoings by german natives whilst trying to hide or obfuscate any problems with the migrant community.
its the same reason nobody really cared when those two german girls were being harassed on live tv.
| 
07.01.2023, 12:28
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SZ
Posts: 4,447
Groaned at 479 Times in 345 Posts
Thanked 10,435 Times in 4,410 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | thats how the lügenpresse operates - emphasise any crimes or misdoings by german natives whilst trying to hide or obfuscate any problems with the migrant community.
its the same reason nobody really cared when those two german girls were being harassed on live tv. | | | | | I am deeply skeptical of the German "public" (state) media - but I woud never use this term as it firmly makes you AfD. Who - for all things that need to be said about immigration - is a bunch of neonazis by now. I respected them when they emerged as a Euro-sceptic, fiscally conservative party, but they have driven out all moderates.
| 
07.01.2023, 14:04
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Bern
Posts: 2,825
Groaned at 502 Times in 332 Posts
Thanked 6,265 Times in 2,250 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | Ignore is just bliss. | | | | | The same could be said to you …
What do you suggest? Germany allows these gangs to grow and severe misbehavior because of the fear of far right nationalism? Allowing that will only cause more anger and more hatred and more far right nationalism.
But keep chatting with your playwright friends, I’m sure they know better.
| The following 2 users would like to thank Susie-Q for this useful post: | | 
07.01.2023, 14:18
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SZ
Posts: 4,447
Groaned at 479 Times in 345 Posts
Thanked 10,435 Times in 4,410 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022
It may indeed not just be a Berlin and immigrant problem. Party mob attacks police in 3000 people village in Franconia. https://m.bild.de/regional/muenchen/...ildMobile.html | 
07.01.2023, 14:42
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 5,217
Groaned at 895 Times in 566 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,720 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022
Not at all SusieQ. All violence should be addressed and dealt with- but it does seem evident in many places, that it is easier to blame immigrants and only deal with any violence or bad behaviour coming from groups of them. Same old, same old.
Where I lived in the UK, we were very aware, as teacher/doctor, that poor Indians, mainly from Bangladesh, were exploited by rich groups of Indians from other parts, mainly ex Ungandan asians, in a way British employers would have never got away with. Whenever we tried to point this out, through education boards, social services, etc- we were told nothing could be done as it would appear to be racist! It all finally came out during Covid- as those employers continued to make Bengali and other workers work in sweatshops throughout. They were caught, and not dealt with severely enough, but at least it was highlighted and acknowledged.
| The following 2 users would like to thank JackieH for this useful post: | | 
07.01.2023, 17:03
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SG
Posts: 10,867
Groaned at 720 Times in 527 Posts
Thanked 14,884 Times in 7,796 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | I agree with everything you said but I still believe we talk about two different things  | | | | | Possible, though unfortunately you don't explain. As far as the theocratic regime goes, I'm pretty sure the men are affected as well.
| The following 2 users would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post: | | 
07.01.2023, 19:18
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ZH
Posts: 1,052
Groaned at 48 Times in 44 Posts
Thanked 1,232 Times in 574 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | Possible, though unfortunately you don't explain. As far as the theocratic regime goes, I'm pretty sure the men are affected as well. | | | | | I did but for some reason you keep going back to a comparison between men and women. I was talking about how women are treated…during protests but also generally. Are men affected by the regime? Unfortunately they are…it is also their choice when it comes to the way they treat women.
Funny…it is like we two have our own discussion in the middle of a thread going to Berlin | This user would like to thank cdcdoc for this useful post: | | 
08.01.2023, 10:59
| Banned | | Join Date: May 2021 Location: transcended.
Posts: 180
Groaned at 231 Times in 121 Posts
Thanked 857 Times in 366 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | I am deeply skeptical of the German "public" (state) media - but I woud never use this term as it firmly makes you AfD. Who - for all things that need to be said about immigration - is a bunch of neonazis by now. I respected them when they emerged as a Euro-sceptic, fiscally conservative party, but they have driven out all moderates. | | | | | oh well, good thing we're all lucky to live in CH where the SVP is the biggest party | 
08.01.2023, 11:26
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SZ
Posts: 4,447
Groaned at 479 Times in 345 Posts
Thanked 10,435 Times in 4,410 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | oh well, good thing we're all lucky to live in CH where the SVP is the biggest party  | | | | | SVP and AfD are two very different things.
| 
08.01.2023, 11:34
| Banned | | Join Date: May 2021 Location: transcended.
Posts: 180
Groaned at 231 Times in 121 Posts
Thanked 857 Times in 366 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | SVP and AfD are two very different things. | | | | | if the SVP was in germany they would also be labelled as nazis. imagine the black sheep posters! | 
08.01.2023, 11:38
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 19,082
Groaned at 845 Times in 659 Posts
Thanked 29,513 Times in 11,958 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | if the SVP was in germany they would also be labelled as nazis. | | | | |
They certainly like the same sort of symbolism with red-black and white marketing and campaigns.
| This user groans at Tom1234 for this post: | | 
08.01.2023, 12:23
| Banned | | Join Date: May 2021 Location: transcended.
Posts: 180
Groaned at 231 Times in 121 Posts
Thanked 857 Times in 366 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022
they also have the friendly sunshine smiley face
but in a country like germany which has a pathological need to atone for their historical sins they would be labelled as 'nazis'.
| 
08.01.2023, 12:39
|  | Roastbeef & Yorkshire mod | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Neuchâtel
Posts: 15,386
Groaned at 323 Times in 278 Posts
Thanked 27,332 Times in 10,996 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | |
But who gets in the Press BM- those neo-nazis still throwing petrol bombs at refugee centres, constantly threatening, abusing, kids, women, families of immigrants, in the streets, the trains, at school, work, sports venues, etc, etc, and provoking responses from groups of young men- the neo-nazis, or the immigrants?
| | | | | I think that largely depends on which press sources you read.
I have seen plenty of reporting on neo-nazis and there actions but I have also seen plenty regarding the problems associated with immigrants.
I try to read news from a variety of sources in order to get a more balanced view of what’s happening in the world.
I suppose people who have a tendency to read more right wing media will get a different picture from those who read more left wing media.
| This user would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post: | | 
08.01.2023, 13:04
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 19,082
Groaned at 845 Times in 659 Posts
Thanked 29,513 Times in 11,958 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | They certainly like the same sort of symbolism with red-black and white marketing and campaigns. | | | | | Not sure why you groaned this point I made, Kommoselez? The similarity between SVP and Nazi campaigns has been noted in several publications.
Do you think it's just coincidence? I think not. | The following 5 users would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post: | | This user groans at Tom1234 for this post: | | 
08.01.2023, 14:21
| Banned | | Join Date: May 2021 Location: transcended.
Posts: 180
Groaned at 231 Times in 121 Posts
Thanked 857 Times in 366 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | Not sure why you groaned this point I made, Kommoselez? The similarity between SVP and Nazi campaigns has been noted in several publications. | | | | | because he wants to live in a society ran by the SVP but still wants to act disgusted when his compatriots vote for the AfD.
| The following 2 users groan at vushka for this post: | | 
08.01.2023, 14:49
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SZ
Posts: 4,447
Groaned at 479 Times in 345 Posts
Thanked 10,435 Times in 4,410 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022
Black-white-red were the colours of Imperial Germany since 1871, not a Nazi invention. Red and white have been the colours of Switzerland forever. Using black as a proxy for threats in this colour scheme seems quite intuitive.
If any of you had any clue about the AfD or the German far-right, you would not write this nonsense.
| 
08.01.2023, 15:34
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 19,082
Groaned at 845 Times in 659 Posts
Thanked 29,513 Times in 11,958 Posts
| | Re: Germany NYE 2022 | Quote: | |  | | | Black-white-red were the colours of Imperial Germany since 1871, not a Nazi invention. Red and white have been the colours of Switzerland forever. Using black as a proxy for threats in this colour scheme seems quite intuitive.
If any of you had any clue about the AfD or the German far-right, you would not write this nonsense. | | | | | Firstly, I never wrote they were a Nazi invention - as indeed the Swastika wasn't either.
I also never wrote that the SVP was a neo-Nazi party incase you inferred that too.
The posters have been designed to instill fear in people. This is pretty much accepted.
The creator of all the SVP fear posters was a German, Alexander Segert, who came to Switzerland as he thought the EU was too much like the Soviet Union.
It's no coincidence that he has also designed campaigns for Austria's far right party (anyone remember Jorg Häider of the FPÖ?).
When German Neo-Nazis stole his SVP minaret campaign he said he was flattered.
There's also an investigation into him doing leadlet drops in Germany for the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party - a party of right-wing extremists.
The fact that you can't see any of he brutality and feat-mongering in the posters he created is not really my problem but more one of your own.
| The following 2 users would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post: | |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 20:23. | |