Wow - tough for me not to say what I’d really like to say to right now, but I’m not going to stoop to that level.

You should perhaps ring up one of Tate’s rape victims and ask for a recording to get a proper two side to the story thing. There’s already a recording of Tate saying he enjoyed raping her. So you got his side …

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-cult...outrage-online

He's definitely being judged by his words, acts and deeds. Uhm, OK?
The fact that he has followers is self-evident, his business model is a pyramidal scheme and it thrives on each individual bringing into the scheme as much individuals as he can. Klar?

Most of these successful social media exploiters have the same model.

In the BBC podcast "The New Gurus", one of the productivity gurus said he makes most of his money teaching other wannabe productivity gurus how to become productivity gurus.

I'm not on reddit, but I read and contributed to some of the EF's threads and it's enough.

You think it can get worse?

Indeed, but they don't teach violence against women and how to become criminals.

Seriously, we're having too much of a discussion around this criminal. He's not an influencer, he is a criminal that went viral on the internet.

Even at it's worst, EF doesn't even come close to the likes of reddit and co.

Appart from occasional outburst from well known members I would consider EF to be quite clean.

I think it was clear I was referring to Susie-Q's anecdote.

Apologies for asking you a reasonable question

Yeah, whatever....."some recollections may vary".
The positions some people take here just for the lols and amusement is......I'll leave it at that.

We could say religions have the same model!

That doesn't make this character any more...harmless.

EF is definitely clean, but there are some nice subs on Reddit that are genuinely helpful, kind and wholesome. Loads of echo chambers too, so if you want to avoid a certain type it is easy.

You can have some really good debates on there as well where people seem to be well educated, when that is simply impossible on other social media sites like Facebook.

Unfortunately you do find loads of incels and I found one last night where I thought was a rather safe place to avoid them.

You said: "At the moment we're expected to judge Andrew Tate on little more than your lived experience from one of his ostensible followers on from another forum." That's not true. No one asked that of you. Please judge him on his public content, acts and deeds.

I think he meant to ask SusieQ to prove that her stalker was a Tate's follower. but I might be wrong.

It can be a figure of style, the idea is the same. Whoever was stalking SusieQ displayed the same level of toxicity and hatred against women.

Don’t bother, Tony who is proud of his “Christian” values, isn’t happy enough at the mountain of evidence provided by Andrew Tate himself.

He instead finds it necessary to ask for proof from someone who had a bad experience with one of his followers so he can get “both sides of the story”. Even if I had told that man on Reddit that his children were ugly, I didn’t deserve such a monstrous attack.

TC is sealioning.

i disagree. we are talking about one statement.

if a kid comes in the classroom and says "andrew tate said men can't get pregnant" and the teacher tries to argue against this (not other points or his misogyny etc.) then i think the teacher loses credibility in the kids eyes.

Sure. And you are not disagreeing with me there. That is about the teacher. If the kid is thinking critically and has good role models in life, he should not automatically think Andrew Tate is therefore credible or a mentor or someone he should follow, just because he thinks his teacher is woke/wrong. As I said it is not an either/or. Andrew Tate however is reliant on this kind of manipulation.

You made me check "sealioning" in the urban dictionary. Didn't think thats a real term.
At least in the COVID thread he provided a lot of sources (lets not discuss his interpretation or the reliability of the sources) himself so I don't know if thats a suitable description for TC. But let's not judge him anyway, that is not nice.

Genau, and I ain’t letting him …

THIS is the thing that worries me as a teacher.
When I have some more time I'll open a new thread about this IM academy trading snowball system. I have already some student's who drop out of their apprenticeship because they are too invested in this trading MLM.

Well, this kid is exposing him/her-self to be bullied for the rest of his/her schooldays about Mr. Tate's participation in his/her conception.

Freaking Andrew Tate. He's still being promoted without lifting a finger.

And somehow we manage to always go back to "his success among youngsters happens because...feminism/wokism" - no, it happens because of his aggressive marketing and targeting strategies and because social media platforms hesitated to ban him much sooner. It also happens because the justice system has let him loose before and now he has a "God complex". He thinks he can get away with everything. Freaking Andrew Tate.

If that was true you wouldn't have mentioned that event on here in the first place.