Chaos at Lampedusa as they struggle with thousands of migrants arriving.

Lampedusa: Italy's gateway to Europe struggles with migrant influx
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57087818

I understand there are no easy solutions to this problem but it seems like the EU has really been dropping the ball on this issue.

This article is from May 2021.

I think he meant to link to this story.

Well Lampedusa is back in the news and is seem that the island is being swamped by refugees to breaking point. Ursula Borderline, (you know who, that chick who really needs a sandwich) she visited to show solidarity, made a few non-comments and left again.
As usual in these cases, the EU is tightly holding on to its wishy-washy non committing stance without any direction which is fertile ground for the far right to say: "Told you so!"
In my opinion the growing acceptance of rightwing politics among EU Bürger is directly linked to the refugee crisis, people dont want them here and the politicians are not listening.
I do understand the EU´s position though, it´s a nasty catch 22 situation. If they do nothing, like they are doing now then the zombies from the right rise again. If they do something decisive about the refugees then they will be tarred with the Nazi-brush.
In the mean time Lampedusa will continue to be overrun, the humanitarian crisis will escalate and the boats will keep on coming.

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Apologies, Ilinked the wrong article after clicking through similar links. Someone has since posted the up-to-date version. Thanks.

And of course, as Meloni pointed out, it is the fault of the Germans again...

To slow or stop the flow of migrants we need to create incentives for them to stay in their countries. Both carrots and sticks.

Putting up barriers is the least effective method.

I also think we should be looking again at temporary seasonal work visas for the Schengen area.

The emerging pattern is that this new breed of right wing populist governments have no discernible solutions to offer but they win on the fear-stoking and pearl-clutching. A sort of faux unity which tells people that it's "us vs them". Many people just like being told what they want to hear. Also useful for preventing any real world solutions gaining traction which tackle practical issues, causes and geo-politics because they is all bleedin-heart-liberal-woke, innit...

There is only one solution:

Make the home countries of the refugees more attractive, so they want to stay there. At present these countries are haemorrhaging their young enterprising populations.

As I see it this is otherwise hopeless and unstoppable and will only increase…

If the far right is able to exploit this problem, it is also because in many European countries there seem to be little steps to limit illegal immigration. One "stick" needs to be swift deportation of migrants without a legal right to stay. And the "carrots" need to be planted in Africa, not in European social security systems.

As the european social security system is the carrot right now.

Mornin' all

I persoaly think there are solutions, just not ones that Politicals want to bring, to frightened about not being voted in in their next elections!

The influx has many reasons/partisipants. Some are 'true' refugees, others just looking for a better future life. Many flee, many are 'sent'. (look at the Eritreans at the moment).

This is just the start, when migrations/escapes start realy rolling because of the way the world climates are going, then what happens. Sudenly you will get group mouvements, almost like a Napolionic army mooving through the lands, pilifering/gathering as they go! Villages will be plundered, animals turned into munchies, whole areas distroyed! Realy, whate can a Government do against 10 to 100 thousand on the moove? Cut them down with machine guns, or what?

In my (and many, many think the same, (talk to lots, ex restauranter, see on a daily basis more than most)) opinion, because of this growing problem, the Right of the political spectrum will grow and grow and come into power!

Let me add. I am strongly not a racist!!!! in any direction, politics/religion/colour etc.

Who, dear EFers, do we think has a solution? and what is it? It's cerainaly not the Politicals who are only looking 4/5 years ahead. All they're doing is following the horse, and instead of sorting out the problem, they're just shoveling the shit over their sholders, and leaving it for the next for stand in or clean up.

Sorry, a bit l o n g winded for a Monday...

still... happy week y'all

GREG

The "stick" is often poorly funded and under resourced, too. If you don't have budget and bodies to process refugees, they are going to stack up and become a problem very quickly.

If you need to say that, then even you realise that your comment is borderline...

But how much more money do you want to pour into Africa to make them stay where they are, 800 million alone to Tunisia, are you going to use a high percentage of EU... aka. OUR money to pay so many African countries to keep their people there?
This has been tried and tried again and it has failed and failed and failed, the countries that these "refugees" hail from have, for most part, basket case economies and they are not suddenly going to have jobs and democracy and a functional health system and a safety net by flinging money at them.
Already the recipient countries of these moneys see EU payments as a part of their GDP, so where does it end?
This is a 21st century version of Danegeld.... "Pay us, or else, nice continent you have there by the way!"
What seasonal work visas? This would be the worse scenario, if you think that they are going to go back home when they have finished picking the fruit, then I have a bridge to sell you. Unlike seasonal workers from the east of Europe who want to earn money then go home, these people from the African continent want to stay and can you imagine the flaying of that politician who dares to try to send them back?
Uff! That would be political suicide.

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I have noticed a lot of otherwise liberal people have also backtracked on their immigration stance. I think most people have seen the strain that mass immigration has had on societies and are rather fed up with the "bleedin-heart-liberal-woke" (to borrow a phrase ) solutions which have so far been provided.

It's utterly nonsensical to smear conservatives as bad, evil even, while you're profiting from exactly that.
And a functioning economy gets run in the ground quickly. Looking a you, South Africa, Africa's economic powerhouse until the ANC came to power. Only three decades later the econmy is at the brink of collapse.

As opposed to...?

Are there actually any workable solutions from the opposite side of the spectrum (unwoke, illiberal, non-bleeding heart)?

Rhodesia, another example, there is nothing much one can do with Africa and it is not going to change anytime soon, except perhaps what the Chinese are doing, buying their colonies instead of taking them. in fact I believe it is is only going to get worse with the coming climate catastrophe, Africa will be hit hard, very hard and in a few years time that what is happening now with the boats will be regarded as a trickle.

Oh yes... Really workable ones too, tried and tested.
Install a dictator in Tunisia, Libya, or wherever you want the boats to stop comng from, train his soldiers and secret service, keep him in cognac and gold plated Rolls Royces and let him do his stuff. Keep him on a short leash and let him know that should he step out of line or start to have illusions of grandeur, that his future could become coup-y and assassin-y.
If you do it right you could say, let him have a dynasty for a hundred years after which the problem will have gone away or have been replaced by bigger problems.
Easy-peasy fix to the current refugee crisis, keeps the cost down and your own population won´t become so antsy.

I think that solution ticks all your boxes.

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