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It seems to be the new norm to do against contrarians
Well, contrarians who perhaps feel the law doesn't apply to them. There are plenty of contrarians who manage not come across as sleazy chancers.
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Old 18.09.2023, 17:03
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The situation with Lindemann is not clear:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsc...-19171979.html
All cases are dropped due to lack of court acceptable evidence. Simply put: not guilty.

And Rammstein having sex parties is something totally legal. Apparently is it also legal to report that a famous person has drugged and raped girls when those statements are later found out to be not credible... and its hard for the person to win cases to prove that the reporting was done in bad faith. I'd say rightfully so, otherwise will media stop reporting stuff out of fear of being wrong. But thats a matter of media law, not criminal law. Doesnt change the situation: Not enough convincing proof that any legal folks even try a trial. And in court are men not guilty till proven so, while in the media men are basically always pre-sentenced as rapists. The guy, a long time favorite target of German media, was crucified in all news outlets at the very first unverified claims on social media by some 20 something enjoying the media attention.

Russel Brand in many ways has made a lot of enemies in the British media. Do I believe that he was emotionally abusive? 100%. He seems an extremly intense character to work with. But the media reports on half vague cases of rape and sexual assault while keeping the women anonymous. It's an unfair battle he can only lose...

It reminds me of the cases against Marilyn Manson: Either thrown out of court or settled "so that the lady can move on with her life" - which is hard to believe a rape victim would do if the entire point was to expose a criminal: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entert...e/11153419002/

Do I believe that Marilyn Manson has BDSM sex? Absolutely. Till Lindemann screwing groupies half his age? Sure. Russell Brand being as obnoxious privately as he is on screen? Sure. But the times where there were yellow press full of dirt and "proper" news who only report the truth? That's been over for a long time... and yes, there has been by now a long list of male celebrities getting dirt thrown at them. Who here did not believe that Kevin Spacey was raping boys? He has been cleared of all charges... https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/26/u...ntl/index.html

Metoo was absolutely necessary and it is insane how long guys like Epstein or Goldstein could do their things without anyone taking action. But the opposite is simply also true: People using rape claims to damage people
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Old 18.09.2023, 17:16
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...He seems an extremly intense character to work with. But the media reports on half vague cases of rape and sexual assault while keeping the women anonymous...
I've read two of the cases. They're really not vague - they're quite specific and detailed.
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Old 18.09.2023, 18:40
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Re: Russell Brand accused of rape and assault

When I saw that in the news, about Russell Brand, I honestly wasn't at all surprised. I've seen him on talk shows, etc. where he was practically sexually assaulting the woman sitting next to him. That was his "style" -- to be vulgar, overly flirtatious and to act as though he was "god's gift to women." He also openly admits that he was very promiscuous and was a drug addict.

So I'm not saying that alone proves that he is indeed guilty of sexually assaulting these women, but... When you consider his character, I'm just not at all surprised.

But I do agree with what TonyClifton said, though (oh my god, did I just say that??? ) -- I think that celebrities should not be put in the position to lose their careers and/or reputations before an actual trial takes place. Privacy should be maintained by all involved. And women should not put their experiences or traumas with sexual assault on display for the media and/or public consumption.

But that's just my take on it.

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When I saw that in the news, about Russell Brand, I honestly wasn't at all surprised. I've seen him on talk shows, etc. where he was practically sexually assaulting the woman sitting next to him. That was his "style" -- to be vulgar, overly flirtatious and to act as though he was "god's gift to women." He also openly admits that he was very promiscuous and was a drug addict.

So I'm not saying that alone proves that he is indeed guilty of sexually assaulting these women, but... When you consider his character, I'm just not at all surprised.

I agree with what TonyClifton said, though (oh my god, did I just say that??? ) -- I think that celebrities should not be put in the position to lose their careers and/or reputations before an actual trial takes place. Privacy should be maintained by all involved. And women should not put their experiences or traumas with sexual assault on display for the media and/or public consumption.

But that's just my take on it.
Thank you.
That is my recollection as well. He was blatantly obnoxious and very very inappropriate in multiple shows. And he wore his sexual proclivities as a badge of honour.
Both realities can be correct.
That he was a sexual predator.
And that he is being fixed by special interests.
However considering his very colourful past and his public behaviour, I am inclined to believe the ladies.
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Old 18.09.2023, 19:50
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However considering his very colourful past and his public behaviour, I am inclined to believe the ladies.
I think you are probably right.

It's a Police matter now as someone has come forward and filed an assault claim with the Police.
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Old 18.09.2023, 19:53
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Re: Russell Brand accused of rape and assault

As in the Andrew Tate thread, I needed to look up who this guy is. Whether guilty of rape or not - what is wrong with these guys? Is this toxic conspiracy shit really what makes "stars" and millionaires today?
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The situation with Lindemann is not clear:
Come again?

The statement by Berlin's prosecution couldn't be any clearer.
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The evaluation of the available evidence - especially the press coverage referring to anonymous whistleblowers, as well as the additional questioning of witnesses - did not provide any evidence that the accused performed sexual acts on women against their will, administered substances influencing or disabling their will, or exploited a power imbalance vis--vis underage sexual partners in order to induce them to have sexual intercourse.
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The Lithuanian authorities have refused to open an investigation into the incident involving the person known as Shelby Lynn in the vicinity of the concert of the band Rammstein in Vilnius on 22 May 2023. The public prosecutor's office in Berlin had documents from the Lithuanian authorities.
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Based on media reports, charges were brought against the tour manager for allegedly leading young women into the backstage area at concerts. In this respect, there were also no indications of any criminally relevant conduct. The proceedings against her were therefore dropped in the same way.

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Old 18.09.2023, 20:43
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As in the Andrew Tate thread, I needed to look up who this guy is. Whether guilty of rape or not - what is wrong with these guys? Is this toxic conspiracy shit really what makes "stars" and millionaires today?
Anything to get attention and feel relevant, I guess.
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Old 18.09.2023, 20:45
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Anything to get attention and feel relevant, I guess.
Yeah, sure. But there must be a market for this. Disgusting.
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Old 18.09.2023, 20:46
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Re: Russell Brand accused of rape and assault

I had the misfortune to be shoved out of the way by Brand at an Edinburgh Fringe venue years ago, in the early 2000s. We were having coffee in the bar whilst waiting for a show to start and I decided to go to the loo, which was upstairs. As I was going up, he was coming down on the other side and he barged me out of the way to get past. I just remember thinking what an ignorant and uncouth Essex boy he was (I lived in Essex for 20 years and have met many in my time, their usual line in conversation was "oh, you're a jock, I don't understand a word you're saying").

I don't even get why people think he's a comedian, for me he's up there with the odious Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle to name but a few. The alternatives are often hypocritical to complain about old style offensive comedians like Bernard Manning and Roy Chubby Brown when many of them are just as bad.

I watched the CH4 programme and thought Daniel Sloss was brave for speaking out about Brand.
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Yeah, sure. But there must be a market for this. Disgusting.
I know.

As the saying goes: "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
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Re: Russell Brand accused of rape and assault

Actually every Pop group & band that embraced 'the permissive society' ( championing sex, drugs & rock & roll ) & made it their own, back in the 1960's, 70's & 80's should be investigated & 'brought to book' for 'making hay' with the the groupies ( no doubt many of them underage ) that followed them.
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Old 18.09.2023, 21:35
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Re: Russell Brand accused of rape and assault

Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin was a bit notorious on that front, he had a girlfriend who was only about 15.
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Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin was a bit notorious on that front, he had a girlfriend who was only about 15.
Yep - if investigative journalism wants to shine a light on the 'darker side' of the music, celebrity, pop & entertainment business; delving deep into the nefarious, promiscious activities of the pop groups & pop stars & other such celebrities of the past, then nows the time to do it !!!
As I cannot believe that Gary Glitter was just the only rogue in all this.
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Come again?

The statement by Berlin's prosecution couldn't be any clearer.
That is Berlins statement. There are other cases. These are all concerned with criminal activities.
As to a social judgement of Lindemann - he made his own bed by flaunting his behaviour to promote the band. I see no problem with trial by media. It is up to fans to decide whether they find his image a turn on or not.
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Is this toxic conspiracy shit really what makes "stars" and millionaires today?
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I... for me he's up there with the odious Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle to name but a few. ...
The thing is Jommy Carr and Frankie Boyle, when they're not being offensive can be very funny. They've just chosen the offensive route.

Brand never has been... er... of brand on that score.
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Re: Russell Brand accused of rape and assault

I could sit through an hour of Jimmy Carr and not crack a smile, he's just not funny.

I have sat through an hour of Jerry Sadowitz at the Fringe, but you know what to expect before you go in. I've also been at one of his close up magic shows which was excellent, it was after he was cancelled by the BBC and he had a lot of sweary stuff to say about them.
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Donald Trump

Julian Assange

Brett Kavanaugh

Andrew Tate

It seems to be the new norm to do against contrarians
Harvey Weinstein
Bill Cosby
R.Kelly
Matt Lauer
Kevin Spacey
Louis CK
Al Franken
Charley Rose
And so on and so forth.
None of them "contrarians".

And let's not even talk about how much evidence there is against most if not all of these guys.

So easy to go down rabbit holes.
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Actually every Pop group & band that embraced 'the permissive society' ( championing sex, drugs & rock & roll ) & made it their own, back in the 1960's, 70's & 80's should be investigated & 'brought to book' for 'making hay' with the the groupies ( no doubt many of them underage ) that followed them.
Are you for real? That is the same as making excuses for Berlusconi because he was only up to similar stuff as the ancient Romans. Times change and society always lags with push back from the die-hards.
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