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Body blow for McCain campaign

Oh dear, quel dommage!

Body blow for McCain as Palin found to have abused powers
Ian Cobain in Anchorage and Ewen MacAskill in Washington
The Guardian

John McCain's election campaign last night suffered the body blow which Republicans had been bracing themselves for when his vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, was found to have abused her powers in pursuit of a personal feud with her former brother-in-law.At the end of the 10-week investigation into the so-called Troopergate affair, Palin was found to have breached the ethics rules which govern her conduct as governor of Alaska. The findings, delivered by an investigator who had been hired by the Alaskan state legislature before she was picked as McCain's running mate, are certain to lead to questions over his judgment, and to queries and challenges as to her suitability for national office.


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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

Its probably too late but he could get a boost if she stepped down and he chose a new VP running mate. I don't like either candidate though. Obama has limited experience and no proven ability to deal with the right (other than having a supply sider or two on his econ team) and McCain is perhaps too old and may not have the demeanor to be president. Well, if it gets any worse for the Republicans in Congress this election Obama may not have to worry about the right. This truly worries me. When times are chaotic I prefer the center.
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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

I can't wait to see the "FOX-Spin" on this !
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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

Here's hoping Obama-Biden have no more skeletons in their closet, otherwise it should be an easy cruise to victory.
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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

I really like this new twist on the Obama campaign:

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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

People are tense. Senator McCain even has to rein in the outbursts of some of his more ebullient supporters: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...owd/index.html
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People are tense. Senator McCain even has to rein in the outbursts of some of his more ebullient supporters: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...owd/index.html
I think that the "reining in" is more a question of necessary posturing.
AND I am truly worried of the way this manner of polarizing the electors. "Rage" and "hate" in my mind are terms associated with the saddest conflicts of the world, and have the horrible feeling that US' crumbling financial system might catalyze some kind of violent outburst.

I will always remember Sarkozy's election speech. When he thanked his adversary, Mme. Segolene Royal, right at the beginning of the speech, the crowds booed but he was quick to reprimand the booing(watch the vid @ 00:02:02) something which I will always remember with admiration, BTW.

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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

Here we go... :-/

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I'm not sure which thread to post this video. It's along the lines of the "forces of evil" theme, so I guess it fits here.

This video of this campaign rally tell me America is in grave danger from the inside:



Perhaps the McCain strategy is to juggle so many scandals that people will no longer spot the most important one. Well here are other videos 'McCain doesn't want people to see':



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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

The first vid just shows how much McCain has lost control - he is being literally "talked down" by a Mr Dude McNobody - , and how the perception of his supporting base is distorted. Pelosi landed where she is by virtue of an election (correct me if I'm wrong) which was run according to rules agreed upon by all forces in the US. Obama may get elected by virtue of those same rules. What is beginning to be apparent is that there is a part of the US population which is becoming intolerant and it no longer wants to agree to the methods that *are* part of the foundations of America. To me, the external observer, this looks downright scary.
I just hope I'm wrong.

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To boost their polling points, McCain-Palin is riling up the crowd. I'm afraid these are the wrong people to fire-up in this way. At the beginning of the campaign, there was a lot of fear of an assassination attempt on Obama. He was given secret-service protection at a very early stage. This kind of politics is just plain wrong for America, with its history and all.

I'd hate to see this turn into violence on election day. But I see a high probability of it. There are many pockets of the US, in inner cities as well as rural areas, where the mob really does rule.

Damn, I think I may have some bad news. I think we've turned into a third world country.
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To boost their polling points, McCain-Palin is riling up the crowd. I'm afraid these are the wrong people to fire-up in this way. At the beginning of the campaign, there was a lot of fear of an assassination attempt on Obama. He was given secret-service protection at a very early stage. This kind of politics is just plain wrong for America, with its history and all.

I'd hate to see this turn into violence on election day. But I see a high probability of it. There are many pockets of the US, in inner cities as well as rural areas, where the mob really does rule.

Damn, I think I may have some bad news. I think we've turned into a third world country.
this is very nicely put :

Senator McCain. Was this the moment? The epiphany? The realization that stoking the flames of bigotry and fear had come home to roost?

As I watched your town hall gathering, I wondered what was going through your mind when you came face to face with the incendiary results of your campaign tactics.
What did you see and feel when that elderly woman said Obama was an Arab?
Or the man who said he feared an Obama presidency? And all the others?

I saw your face. I watched your body language as you took the microphone and quickly distanced yourself from that one.
At that moment, did you see your reflection in the mirror of her eyes? A reflection, not of a maverick, but a pariah? Did you see the decades of American scar tissue? Birmingham? Burning crosses? The noose? Did you see that awful year in American history when Dr. King and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated, cut down in the prime of their dreams for a better America?

Did you hear the echo of Dr. King's words about being "judged not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character," and suddenly realize that it was not your opponent's character in question - but yours? Perhaps you heard the whisper of Langston Hughes when he asked, "What happens to a dream deferred ...? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. Or does it explode?"

Did you suddenly smell the rot and fetid acrid aroma of fear and hate, the carcass of mendacious political tactics decaying at your feet? Or did you sniff the flop-sweat of your own campaign standing in a puddle of decimating poll numbers?

I watched your mouth dry up and wondered if you could taste the bitter words like "Arab," "terrorist," "treason," "kill him," - all served up on the plate of red meat politics by your campaign. Did it make you choke and want to spit out the rancid flavor of ignorance and violence? Or did you want to savor the success of the politics of personal destruction?

Did you feel the cold chill of defeat? Did your heart pound with the all-encompassing realization that you would never be president? Could you sense that the America you appeal to is stale and dying out and being replaced by the freshness of hope and tolerance and a rainbow of change?

No doubt, the media will genuflect before your image and be pushed by your campaign spinners to reanoint you as a maverick and honorable man in rising to the defense of your opponent. But your ads still sully the airwaves. Your surrogates still spew their venom. After all, this is just politics. People need to understand that. Nothing personal - it is just politics.

But here was this moment. And you know it, regardless of whether or not you were reading from cue cards or just looking down to avoid having to face the ugliness before you - you know.

And when the crowd booed as you struggled to use words about decency and honorable character to defuse the situation you created, you must have recalled the words from Proverbs, "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind ..."

This is not a moment for you to be proud of in this campaign. Garnering credit for coming to the defense of Senator Obama is like an arsonist claiming heroism for saving lives after having set fire to the building in the first place.

It does not matter how the media or your advisers and consultants spin this moment because it can only reflect badly on you. If it is tossed off as politics as usual, your campaign appears shallow and less interested in what's best for America than what is best for John McCain.
If it is said that there is no room for this kind of rhetoric in a presidential campaign, then you look weak and unable to control your own staff that continue to push these messages.
If it is about leadership and going against the flow, then we see that a McCain presidency will be divisive and reinforce the meme of "two Americas."

We have already had eight years of a divided country from the man who ran as a "Uniter not a divider."

This was a defining moment............ And you, sir, lost.

thanks to John Corey at Truthout.org
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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

=Olbermann: McCain, suspend your campaign==The GOP ticket is inciting supporters to violence against Barack Obama=

to go direct to the video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...88417#27188417

to go to the MSNBC website for the transcript:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27188346/

(Apologies, I gave up trying to figure out how to embed this video in the post.)
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William Kristol, who is even a neoconservative, writes Its time for John McCain to fire his campaign.
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Re: Body blow for McCain campaign

The McCain/Palin campaign (or is it Palin/McCain these days?), are obviously living in an alternate universe. Not only do they think they can toss out flimsy claims of Obama's so called radical connections and not have their own questioned (did they forget about the Alsaska Independence Party?) but they also think whatever they happen to say will be reported as truth....even if it is blatently obvious to the world it is not.

This absolute refusal to acknowledge the fact that she was censured by a bipartisan committee for her actions in the troopergate scandal is beyond belief....even for her.

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....but they also think whatever they happen to say will be reported as truth....even if it is blatently obvious to the world it is not.

You mean, like a brainwashed cult?

Help! My country has been abducted!
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Sorry about my dodgy link above.

Here is Palin telling the world day is night and up is down.

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What did you see and feel when that elderly woman said Obama was an Arab?
This woman was interviewed after the rally...pretty scary...she volunteers in a McCain campaign office.

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I am sure it would send a chill through the spine of most Americans to know that this is what is being shown on Al Jazeera (of all networks).

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I am sure it would send a chill through the spine of most Americans to know that this is what is being shown on Al Jazeera (of all networks).

Sends a chill down my spine to think these people are what the outside world sees of America and Americans. And to add salt to the wound, they're from my home state of Ohio.

And people wonder why I left....
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