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Exactly! That's why anger, as opposed to indignation, concern or discomfort is such a dangerous emotion. It motivates people to act - but do they act with reason?
On a similar line, the leaks to the media by Police (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7833906.stm) have, on occasion, caused anger and public outrage that may have jeopardised cases. This has sometimes prevented the reasoned assessment of cases.
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That's true - if the government responds, of course - which I can't remember happening very often over the last ten years (or my lifetime, come to think of it...). But is anger ever a good substitute for reasoned debate, careful consideration and cautious action?
No, I wouldn't usually choose anger as a medium for change, but to change the current UK government's mind on anything, you have to go a long way...

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Exactly! That's why anger, as opposed to indignation, concern or discomfort is such a dangerous emotion. It motivates people to act - but do they act with reason?
I'd say let the electorate show the anger when nothing else will cause a change, if one is necessary and hopefully, the wrangling between governemtn and opposition will produce a law/bill/change that is a bit more temepered. Even if it doesn't happen very often in real life...
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The biggest shame about that is that Private Eye is now £1.50...
I suggested an article to them about something in the papers regarding birds and it was in the next issue, six days later (current issue if you get it).

Back on topic - sometimes the anger can be useful if enough people feel enough to get their government to do something, but it also risks being a knee-jerk, a la the anti-gun campaigns after Dunblane.
Good work on the snow bunting, CB!

(Private Eye keeps me sane.)

It's simple, DB; Politicians need to be stirred into action. No political will = no action. Tony Blair felt worried about the lack of electorate interest in the environment during Labour's second campaign, so quietly removed all references from their manifesto. Not that he wasn't interested, but he knew which side the bread was buttered.

As to The Princess of Hearts, I can't contain my indifference...
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I've had similar thoughts about the popularity of the Nazi death camps in Poland, which have become a kind of tourist resort, albeit with noble intentions.

Is it necessary to actually feel despair and sadness to understand what happened there? ...
When I've worked with survivors of atrocities/trauma you do feel anger/sadness/despair - but you've a job to do. Similar when I read about, see on the TV, or visit places of great horror (and heroism!). The best reaction, I think, is try to take in the enormity of what happened, and be resolved to fight, in whatever way you can, to prevent such evil ever happening again. ( Though it almost certainly will ). That is - to not by numbed to it.

But over-emotionalism, hystrionics, emotional self-indulgence and self-righteousness are not appropriate. It's not about you - it's about them. By all means, however, have a good weep on the way home, or in the privacy of your hotel. We are emotional beings, and it's damaging to suppress it.
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I rarely read the news, apart from the 20 Minuten paper to practise my German, and never watch television news.

Most of it is irrelevant to my life, and I resent the way that television news, in particular, is so manipulative.

I don't want to learn about the world through carefully edited soundbites and images. I would rather experience it, talk to people, read books and documents, get stuff, wherever possible, from the horse's mouth.

There's a whole thread on it here.
Dear Mr. Dougals's brakfast AKA Thoreau. There is some real estate that you might be interested in- a shack on Walden Pond: http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/6923.html Lots of people are going 'Thoreau' nowadays- it's the latest trend.
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I don't want to learn about the world through carefully edited soundbites and images. I would rather experience it, talk to people, read books and documents, get stuff, wherever possible, from the horse's mouth.
I went to visit Auschwitz for exactly the above reason.

How did I feel when I was there? Nauseated. I wept a bit. How did I feel after? I still feel nauseated when I think of all the hair, shoes and other belongings that were on display. And after reading all that went before in this thread, maybe a little selfconscious, and maybe I agree that it was a bit self-indulgent of me to cry.

Has it turned into a tourist trap? Yeah maybe, yeah probably. But it's also a memorial - and if it helps open the eyes and horizons of one tourist and prevents an anti-semitic action, its helping to make the world a better place.

Hmm...I've still not made the point I wanted to..my thoughts on this topic are all over the place..sorry
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Old 19.01.2009, 21:30
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I went to visit Auschwitz for exactly the above reason.

How did I feel when I was there? Nauseated. I wept a bit. How did I feel after? I still feel nauseated when I think of all the hair, shoes and other belongings that were on display. And after reading all that went before in this thread, maybe a little selfconscious, and maybe I agree that it was a bit self-indulgent of me to cry.

Has it turned into a tourist trap? Yeah maybe, yeah probably. But it's also a memorial - and if it helps open the eyes and horizons of one tourist and prevents an anti-semitic action, its helping to make the world a better place.

Hmm...I've still not made the point I wanted to..my thoughts on this topic are all over the place..sorry
I wonder what would happened if I went to Auschwitz with a copy of the "Daily express" from friday march 24 1933 with the headline "Judea declares war on Germany" under my arm??
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Re: Disaster porn; or The Joy of Rage

The opposite is also something to consider; The Bitterness of Glee, or Chance ****.

Something weird about the coverage of Obama. It's a global news phenomenon ...because of his policies, right?

Hornets nest, etc.

Ps, Why is the p o r n word not **** in the title but censored in this post? Are we not adults?
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Re: Disaster porn; or The Joy of Rage

Personally... i prefer ye olde plain pr0n.
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Personally... i prefer ye olde plain pr0n.
That made me laugh..

Erm. Ok, I am not sure how well I remember things, but here we go. When I was small during deep commie times we had a special "Memorial Room" in our school decorated with photos all over the walls, from the concentration camps, dead people piled up with no clothes, no eyes, etc. There was an exhibition of urns with ashes from these concentration camps and very descriptive narrative of what happened on these grounds. I dreaded the room, we had to go in it every term and spend few minutes reflecting upon humankind. I think it was wrong to subject little kids to this but I must say, all my classmates me included will never forget the site. I wonder how many of my classmates have become nazies, I bet none of them, that's how powerful the experience was.

Then there was the underground nazi rocket work camp 10miles from my hometown, the concentration transit camp 20miles from my hometown, I never wanted to see them since I knew the effect it would have on me and I thought I didn't need a "booster" of the humanity vaccine I got when I was small.

However, I had to actually guide students through this concentration camp, since I worked as a translator for couple of years in one Prague summer school, it was a nightmare. It does leave one feel helpless, there is no help anymore for all those killed. Human dignity becomes a concept so tangible when you witness these things, when you touch the walls the prisoners used to touch. Maybe that's why people want to experience it first hand. Often they had relatives who died there. Basically, for a lot of people it is a big graveyard and they come to pay tribute, not to be excited. It makes one grow up so fast, puts things in different perspective. It doesn't matter that your stupid cable doesn't work, compared to that misery people had to go through. They did, with faith, standing straight, still with hope, while waiting to be gased. I think it is a valuable lesson for some. Other people might not need it, they do not need the graphic details. But I think memory of humankind fades and I think we shouldn't forget what happened there. The fake visitors, the superfitial ones who only came to feel good about themselves usually do not make it through the first barracks in the camp.

I am now working on a translation of fiction written by an Auswitz and Terezin survivor, it is about WWII, Polish gheto and mass murders, humanity, how noble and bare people's lives were, striped to the core. There is no romanticism about death in it, it is actually very dry, people are not heroic, it is still chokingly acute..It would be hard to work on it if I didn't know a lot about the theme and if I was not from the country affected by the same tragedy. I think to have work like this translated and distributed all over the world is going to make people aware. I think it is important. There are people who believe there was no holocaust. I wouldn't translated it if I knew it is going to be only read by some pretentious and uber trendy pseudo freedom fighters who are too afraid to do the real shtick and get all angry instead to feel like they are doing something. I guess it is my contribution though I do not take it politically, it moved me quietly, made me cry couple of times and now I can peacefully work on this piece..The author is definitely not somebody who screams at tv, he hardly watches it. He knows how fleeting one's life is. He has his own opinion on activists and I think he is not too keen on a lot of the uselessness goin on in activism.

Thank you, for mentioning Lidice in my home land. I am glad somebody went and somebody remembers.

I understand the anger issue. I think lives of so many folks have become so boring and so void of any kind of involvement in some relevant issue, they make up for it by safely watching the world from their comfortable sofas. Does it make them feel better about themselves to get all enraged about world's stereotypical injustice issues and then pop another beer open? Most probably. It is a huge hypocracy, since their own neighbor might have some very difficult times and they wouldn't offer help. I think help locally is important.

The other day my husband and I witnessed a toddler being beat up and we stood up to protect her. This tragedy is no less important to be aware off than any other world's affaire, I feel. Do I respect people who quit careers and family lives and volunteer in some huge catastrophy or disaster somewhere? Absolutely. And I think they do so much more than I have ever done.

But one shouldn't be ignorant of happenings at home nor elsewhere, you know? I feel that an average human is cabable to be aware of all sorts of problems, not only the human rights in Africa, but also the little things in everyday life. Human misery is human misery, no matter how big or small, it is so relative, who is to say what is more important? I am so sick of these donation solicitors, because they make money on stereotypes of what help should be like. God knows where the cash even ends up. People give their 5francs and they are done with sympathy for the day. They should maybe stop by at their elderly neighbor for a chat, instead? I do not know. Not that noble I guess in people's book.

In my home, everybody has somehow been affected by WWII, by stupid commie regime, people are trying to make ends meet, learning what it's like to have identity, not to bow down all the time, to have dignity..While it is not some fake authority to fear now, it's poverty instead.

I still want to know what is happening at home, in fact what is happening everywhere. I could just shrug my shoulders and live in ignorant bliss, hike in Jura, eat cheese and chocolate, yodel, smile at folks and be totally content with how beautiful this part of the world is..I do not want to forget though that there are bigger communities we are members of. The striving for knowledge and news does not make me better, by any means, than others. But I completely agree with local involvement. There are big issues here in Switzerland that need to be addressed and I am grateful to this forum for being so informative, not knowing what is happening here made me feel not at home here, for the longest time.

One must take media for what they are worth, take them with a grain of salt otherwise one would go crazy at their formulaic articles, stereotypical themes, emotion inducing photos, etc..But it is up to you to see how much validity there actually is. I believe one can filter things out, even in such information overload world. Wouldn't it be extreme to just completely close off from everything around only because we cannot change the immediate emotional response to it? I think to be constantly angry because of world's unjustice or hurt is paralizing and it is not constructive, there is a need to depersonalize in order to do some work. But that is a fact in a lot of things, teaching, parenting..For some people that anger while being confronted with injustice is the only thing, the end. For others, it is a start of wanting to know more so they can make a difference. I somehow feel that humans can function in multilevel way, to be symbolic again - they can happily yodel, party hard and still be open to what is around them and annonymously help out locally.

I usually feel ofended by how little medias expected from their readers, how black and white their articles and debates were..But who says it is only like this? Do yur homework, pick better programming on tv, better sources of news, better more objective or detailed periodicals to keep you on top of things, if that is what you need.

Alright. This has gotten out of hand, so long. I kind of object to the p*rn analogy, bad media and bloodthirsty movies are boring but one can at least learn some nifty tricks in p*rn, n'est pas?

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A little bump for those who don't understand where I'm coming from on the Afghan thread.
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Old Skool thread!!!


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Re: Disaster porn; or The Joy of Rage

Pornography (often abbreviated as "porn" in informal usage) is the explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter.

Disaster porn = ?

Does this mean that disaster porn is when the guy needs viagra or something?

I know/knew where you were coming from - it is not the first time you've brought this up - but I think that when you stop getting upset, you stop caring... Or another way, when bad news of a humanitarian nature has no effect on you, then you have become a soulless being. So yes, some people do need to express themselves and sometimes the only way that can do that with people who might be on the same wavelength is on EF. For some, EF is their main source of social interaction. Keep that in mind, eh?

And no, I don't usually shout at the TV. Unless it's sport... but that's something else
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Oh, I was so grateful to PI when that came out - I was working in London at the time and I thought the world had gone mad.

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Re: disaster-glee - I could bang on about the role of soap operas, social function and the need to feel, and stuff and blah de blah, but I'll spare yas.
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I get my disaster porn reading EF but honestly, I'd rather play jass (Swiss card game).
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Re: Disaster porn; or The Joy of Rage

Porn is a cheese term, sounds too...bibletumping. But I understand the concept. People who take their status for granted will always feel bored after a while, hence the bloodthirsty interest in moments of somebody else's pain. But don't forget that some people just mean well and want to campaign. I am not sure, really, but I think it's just a natural thing, logical, to get out of boredom and actually feel something. Feel better about oneself, appreciate we are able to feel passionate about something. It's usually cliches, that people get so hooked on reacting to, but whatevers rocks people's boat, innit. I think those who you are trying to protect, don't give a damn. And, it feels a tad offensive to feel like they need you to do that. They don't. They know better. And, they don't need to speak.

It's always us who are compelled to yap. While checking the reaction of our audience.

I am happy my peacetalker friend has survived and is safe in Gaza. I am happy we are reasonably ok back home, and here my little one is doing ok. I am happy I have work that contributes to bettering other people's lives. I am happy to have a moment with a program that makes me think. One step at a time. I am also happy there are people who care for informing others about what is happening in the world, no matter what stands we care to have about it. I appreciate people taking time and sharing links that I didn't have the time to catch, coz my life is a marathon. You will always have folks who will throw themselves all over online debates, chipping in with the assumed "correct" pov, but shutting them up will not do anything for having an open platform to share. Everybody is different. They have right to be. Even hypocrites.
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I think that when you stop getting upset, you stop caring...
Upset as in pathos or upset as in ethos?... huge difference. One might condamn the one and practice the other.
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Upset as in pathos or upset as in ethos?... huge difference. One might condamn the one and practice the other.
Clearly my post is about ethos. I've read it again and I'm pretty certain that that is clear; when I am watching the news I am generally not reacting to it for other people's benefit. I also don't get any benefit from reacting to things on EF for other people's benefit - LOLs aside .
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Clearly my post is about ethos. I've read it again and I'm pretty certain that that is clear.
It was clear. Faltrad was just showing off his vocabulary. DB thanked it because he likes straw.
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