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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

How would you deal with this problem?
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"The planet can't support peoples' consumption therefore we need to cut the number of people". Simplistic reasoning suggests he's been hugging too many trees. Maybe he should come up with a slogan "Save the planet. Kill a friend".
Better still, stick it on a bus and start an environmentalist bus campaign
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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

Stop consuming so much -> more left for the poor and, as an added benefit, less pollution -> less environmental refugees and more arid land. As a result, Earth can sustain more people.

It starts with you and the choises you make every day. Make the right ones and you can multiply with clear concience.
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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

Good answer. But aren't we entering the realms of fantasty here?
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Stop consuming so much -> more left for the poor and, as an added benefit, less pollution -> less environmental refugees and more arid land. As a result, Earth can sustain more people.

It starts with you and the choises you make every day. Make the right ones and you can multiply with clear concience.
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I did not utter any hate speech.I gave a comment base on fact and you call that hate speech?when truth is spoken it becomes hate speech or racism.
Perhaps you should practice what you preach
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Good answer. But aren't we entering the realms of fantasty here?
More like waking up from one.
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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

I don't know what you mean, but I mean that, according to the evidence available, people want to consume more not less. Regardless of the consequences.

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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

Unfortunately, many people equate high consumption to a high a quality of life....this view point of measuring quality of life by consumption drives me batty
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Stop consuming so much -> more left for the poor and, as an added benefit, less pollution -> less environmental refugees and more arid land. As a result, Earth can sustain more people.
Why is "sustaining more people" an apparently unquestionable goal ?

What's wrong with aiming to reduce global population ?
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Why is "sustaining more people" an apparently unquestionable goal ?

What's wrong with aiming to reduce global population ?
Nothing wrong with wanting to reduce the population. If done by strengthening the position of women, that's great. If done by genocide - then not great. Seems that many, but not all, generally acceptable means of reducing the population might take a bit of time. In view of that, and in view of already existing problems of feeding the world population, the idea of reduced consumption in the richer parts of the world might be a good idea.
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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

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I'm not exactly sure what the problem is. The basic assumption is that there isn't enough to go around. But I don't think it's a resource problem, rather a problem with cooperation, greed and not enough distribution.
Do you mean, poor earth can support zilions of humans witthout limit?!!!
Reminds me religious sayings of "whoever gives teeth, gives bread"!
haha, check how many die of famine and malnutrition every year!
Even a kid knows resources are limited and earth is already overpopulated.
in fact all efforts to reduce consumption have become compensated by more and more population. the same goes to amount of poor in south and east.
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Unfortunately, many people equate high consumption to a high a quality of life....this view point of measuring quality of life by consumption drives me batty
Most people measure their quality of life by conveniences inherently requiring "high consumption", because it means they can spend more of their time "living" and less of it "surviving".

Things like large houses, lack of crowding, year-round access to seasonal foodstuffs, access to non-local foodstuffs, foreign travel, private vehicles, reliable and plentiful running water and electricity, refrigerators, ovens, microwaves, blenders, dishwashers, washing machines, comfy sofas, computers, nice clothes, etc, etc.
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Stop consuming so much -> more left for the poor and, as an added benefit, less pollution -> less environmental refugees and more arid land. As a result, Earth can sustain more people.

It starts with you and the choises you make every day. Make the right ones and you can multiply with clear concience.
We'll have to chop trees to grow food and have living space.

The choice of hair shirt and bike, or say, a V6 Golf (Ok, sold) is important but number of bodies is important.

Or we colonise space...
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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

Now there's a thought, could you all bugger off please.
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We'll have to chop trees to grow food and have living space.

The choice of hair shirt and bike, or say, a V6 Golf (Ok, sold) is important but number of bodies is important.

Or we colonise space...
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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

Sounds contradictive, but if pope travels more often, then population will decrease a lot:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510038,00.html

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Nothing wrong with wanting to reduce the population. If done by strengthening the position of women, that's great. If done by genocide - then not great.
Who has even vaguely suggested "genocide" ?

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Seems that many, but not all, generally acceptable means of reducing the population might take a bit of time. In view of that, and in view of already existing problems of feeding the world population, the idea of reduced consumption in the richer parts of the world might be a good idea.
Why is that a better solution than aiming to reduce the population of the poorer parts of the world so that a western lifestyle would be sustainable for them as well ? Why are we racing to the bottom, rather than the top ?

With that said, pretty much all the problems to do with "feeding the world population" have nothing to do with how many people there are (at least, not yet), and everything to do with people like Robert Mugabe. But there's a lot more to sustainability than food.
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Sounds contradictive, but if pope travels more often, then population will decrease a lot:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510038,00.html

They must have been wearing condoms.
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Re: UK population must be cut to 30m

Well, I guess in Europe, we just have to wait a generation. We just have to lump it with an aging population for maybe thirty years and they die off, leving a smaller population, given that the birth rate is not all that high in most European countries.
There are steps being taken in India about this problem, where in some areas they've been hammering home the message of contraception, apparently with good results.
If you want the population cut quickly, then a large rock from space is probably the way to go. Looking at other natural disasters, they barely make a dent, no matter how horrifying.
Even if many governments initiate programs to encourage people not to breed so much, it'll end up as a NIMBY case. Everyone will agree, as long as it doesn't apply to them.
Of course, if it was up to me, I'd go along the lines of introducing something hormonal to the water to lower fertility. There's so many nutjob websites on this sort of line that no-one would believe it even if it was discovered...
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Who has even vaguely suggested "genocide"
My vote's for genocide. I don't have any particular dislike for any of the different ethnic groups in the UK so I'll leave that up to you UK folks to decide who is going to get the ax.

Alternatively you could move part of your population to Darfur (or similar locations around the world) and let the local governments take care of you.

Best of luck to you. I'm off for an online-shopping spree!
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If you want the population cut quickly, then a large rock from space is probably the way to go. Looking at other natural disasters, they barely make a dent, no matter how horrifying.
The Wikipedia reference-linkBlack Plague made a pretty big dent, particularly in Europe.
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Do you mean, poor earth can support zilions of humans witthout limit?!!!
Reminds me religious sayings of "whoever gives teeth, gives bread"!
haha, check how many die of famine and malnutrition every year!
Even a kid knows resources are limited and earth is already overpopulated.
in fact all efforts to reduce consumption have become compensated by more and more population. the same goes to amount of poor in south and east.
I wonder how you got a THANK for this post!

It's the truth. There are deserts that don't produce food, and there are places of over-abundance. The problem is that the food doesn't reach the hungry people, not that there isn't enough food.
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