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Old 04.04.2016, 19:16
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Thank you. I was trying to keep it simple.
It would be interesting to know how large the other CO2 emissions are like animals breathing (including us) and natural emissions from volcanoes etc. etc.
That you can probably only get rough approximations of.

But what is also not included is man-made non-energy CO2. There are many industrial processes that release CO2 from activities other than combustion and this CO2 is thus not directly energy related CO2.

One of the biggest culprits here is the cement industry.
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Now we have the interesting situation that annual CO2 emissions rose steadily from year 2000 to 2013 (in fact more steeply than in the last half of the last century) but global temperatures did not increase.

However annual CO2 emissions in 2014 and 2015 did not increase over 2013 but in 2015 global temperatures shot up again.

Since the proof of Global warming is by correlation not causation then one has to wonder?
You need to differentiate between "increase in emissions" and "increase in content". Even if CO2 emission growth turns negative (e.g. 2008/09) CO2 content still increases.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

I've been reading up on this subject from various sources and get the impression that in the past there has been a lot of 'alarmist' talk and nonsensical predictions about global warming.
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The IPCC projected in 2005 that by 2010 the world would have to manage with a swarm of some 50 million 'climate refugees' who would be forced to evacuate their homes in coastal areas. Apparently, the UN showed website maps of the regions suggesting where they should flee to.

In the meantime UNEP maps showing the 'environmental danger zones' have been taken down. I wonder why?
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Old 10.04.2016, 17:05
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I've been reading up on this subject from various sources and get the impression that in the past there has been a lot of 'alarmist' talk and nonsensical predictions about global warming.
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The IPCC projected in 2005 that by 2010 the world would have to manage with a swarm of some 50 million 'climate refugees' who would be forced to evacuate their homes in coastal areas. Apparently, the UN showed website maps of the regions suggesting where they should flee to.

In the meantime UNEP maps showing the 'environmental danger zones' have been taken down. I wonder why?
Internet is like an elephant; forgets nothing. You can find a link to the cached maps here

Basically the issue I have with supporters of global warming is the unnecessary overkill and hysteria they try to generate
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Old 10.04.2016, 17:08
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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1. It's a long-term relationship. Expect swings from year to year
2. 2015 had one of the strongest el-niño's ever, probably driving up global temperatures (I know this is disputed but there does seem to be a collolation between El Niño and exceptional temperature shifts. A probable La Niña in 2017 will likely pause warming next year
3. The level of emissions was roughly unchanged from 2013 to 2015 - sio we are still pumping millions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere, further increasing the concentration of CO2
4. Interesting, isn't it, that your graph shows a continuous longer-term temperature increase despite the fact that solar radiation has actually tended to decrease in the same period. I wonder what could be causing it?
5. (for Sbrinz) our mean distance from the sun doesn't change to any remotely measurable extent.


You might be interested to learn that February 2016 recorded the largest ever recorded temperature anomoly. Overall the Earth was 1.35°C above average; the Northern hemisphere 2°C above.
When I wrote that there was no global warming for 16 years the reply I got was that is too short a period to be significant.

Now you write "February 2016 recorded the largest ever recorded temperature anomaly". So one month is significant and 16 years are not
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I've been reading up on this subject from various sources and get the impression that in the past there has been a lot of 'alarmist' talk and nonsensical predictions about global warming...
You've put your finger on one of two unambiguous proofs that the whole 'climate change' agenda fails miserably as a 'scientific' proposition: the vast majority of its 'predicitions' have utterly failed, and the 'experts' have spent the past several years back-pedalling and 'revising' everything so as to salvage some credibility, as they continue to demonize doubters with whatever pseudo-scientific fluff they can muster.

For the second proof, just follow the money: Not only is there a bloated industry of well-paid authors, 'scientific' experts and fear-mongers—the proverbial 'high priests' among the 'true believers'—whose propaganda the psychopathic oligarchs in government invoke as an excuse to demand revenue from the public and industry as a means to some conspicuously ill-defined 'salvation', but these, in turn, have thus subsidized the profits whole industries built on the 'necessity' of mindlessly 'doing something'.

A case in point is Germany's massively subsidized solar energy program of a decade or more ago: As millions of solar panels have lately been reaching the ends of their life expectancies, it has given rise to yet another disturbingly costly disposal industry, since the toxic stuff of which solar panels are made cannot be recycled, rendering their safe retirement not unlike that of spent nuclear fuel or retired chemical weapons, since depositing the stuff in local dumps or landfills would only poison the environment.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

For me there is another very convincing indicator that the rising sea levels aspect of the global warming argument is flawed. And it's that some years ago the Nobel Peace Prize winner Al Gore spent some $8 plus million of the bloated fortune he made on the global warming gravy train to buy a villa close to the seafront on the Pacific Ocean in Santa Barbara County, California.

You don't have to be a geophysicist to work out you are being played for a fool.
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Old 12.04.2016, 15:38
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Rising sea levels?

Garbage. As the population is getting fatter the land is sinking
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Perhaps. But if so, by whom?

According to this blog, and the map location it links to, his villa is 2-3km off the beach. The address "East Mountain Drive" hints to an elevated location comfortably above sea level.
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Perhaps. But if so, by whom?

According to this blog, and the map location it links to, his villa is 2-3km off the beach. The address "East Mountain Drive" hints to an elevated location comfortably above sea level.
Looks like he plans on the water's edge coming up to him.
Thanks for finding it. It certainly is a good looking residence most probably with a rather large carbon footprint.
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Old 01.05.2016, 13:06
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

According to an article in nature.com the increase in C02 in the air has caused a world wide net increase in plant ground coverage of 18 million square Km since 1982; increase! I thought we were all going to starve

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Old 01.05.2016, 15:09
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

I never understood the whole discussion about the reasons for the global warming, personally I believe the behaviour of the sun and the earth rotation is having a much bigger impact than our behaviour...

BUT, it doesn't mean that crapping on and polluting the earth is acceptable and of course we must all strive to make the earth a better and cleaner place to live on, for us, animals and plants...
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I never understood the whole discussion about the reasons for the global warming, personally I believe the behaviour of the sun and the earth rotation is having a much bigger impact than our behaviour...

BUT, it doesn't mean that crapping on and polluting the earth is acceptable and of course we must all strive to make the earth a better and cleaner place to live on, for us, animals and plants...
I completely agree.

For me the basic issue with the Global Warming theory is the significant amount of hysteria and scaremongering about the future when nobody really knows what will happen and where.

I do not remember anybody forecasting an extra 18 million square Km of plant life; I am no expert but this must be a good thing?
More plant life means more food for everyone, more natural absorption of C02 gas?

Estimates of the Earth's total land surface are around 150 million square Km so in 1982 ca. 12% of the total land surface that was not green is now green.
This is a surprisingly high number which is hard to believe; all the forecasts I read earlier were about deforestation and increasing desertification?
And why did nobody notice this before?

Also reported by NASA here

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According to an article in nature.com the increase in C02 in the air has caused a world wide net increase in plant ground coverage of 18 million square Km since 1982; increase! I thought we were all going to starve
What I find amusing is that you are happy to accept this conclusion, despite the fact that it is based on complex computer calculations. When the results of similar calculations on climate change do not suit your prejudices, you choose not to give them any credit.

I am surprised that Nature published this paper, since they are part of the great conspiracy of scientists that invented climate change to chastise the world's sinners, bring down capitalism and ... remind me, why did they do it?
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Old 01.05.2016, 20:48
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What I find amusing is that you are happy to accept this conclusion, despite the fact that it is based on complex computer calculations. When the results of similar calculations on climate change do not suit your prejudices, you choose not to give them any credit.

I am surprised that Nature published this paper, since they are part of the great conspiracy of scientists that invented climate change to chastise the world's sinners, bring down capitalism and ... remind me, why did they do it?
"What I find amusing is that you are happy to accept this conclusion,"
No! I actually wrote "This is a surprisingly high number which is hard to believe" - how do you manage to turn my comment into "you are happy to accept this conclusion"?

About "it is based on complex computer calculations. When the results of similar calculations on climate change do not suit your prejudices"

Actually this greening calculation is based on factual satellite measurements whereas the theory of global warming is based on a series of correlation calculations which have failed to perform this century.

It is a curious fact that the various satellite projects around this topic (like this one) have so far given anomalous results.

Examples are the attached graph of satellite global temperature measurements which claim to show global temperatures not rising as forecast and also the satellite radiation observations which claim to show that heat radiation from the Earth is increasing; not decreasing - see graph.
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What I find amusing is that you are happy to accept this conclusion...
What I find amusing is that you seem to be in denial of the fact that yet another "climate change" prediction has failed, rendering the "climate change" agenda all-the-less scientific and all-the-less credible.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

More of the usual hype & hysteria...
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More of the usual hype & hysteria...
I ran Zurich marathon (10 days ago) in sleet. The next ice age is coming!!!
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I ran Zurich marathon (10 days ago) in sleet. The next ice age is coming!!!
Yup!
The way I understand this is:
that heat over Canada and the Arctic heat is causing Greenland ice to melt at unusually high rate.
This in turn creates a huge "bubble" of frigid water to the east of Greenland.
Air masses move from west to to east and they are cooled as they pass over that frigid pool of water and then move over EU.

In addition we get these horrid Sahara high pressure fronts that push temps up to the 30C range and over.
At the edge of this hot bubble we get this crazy interaction between warm and cool air masses, the result of which is sleet, hail, thunderstorms, shear winds / tornadoes etc etc

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Yup!
The way I understand this is:
that heat over Canada and the Arctic heat is causing Greenland ice to melt at unusually high rate.
This in turn creates a huge "bubble" of frigid water to the east of Greenland.
Air masses move from west to to east and they are cooled as they pass over that frigid pool of water and then move over EU.

In addition we get these horrid Sahara high pressure fronts that push temps up to the 30C range and over.
At the edge of this hot bubble we get this crazy interaction between warm and cool air masses, the result of which is sleet, hail, thunderstorms, shear winds / tornadoes etc etc

File under:
#werefocked #globalwarming #climate


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