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Old 11.08.2008, 15:04
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Basically, with temperatures rising (3°c in the last 10 years), the permafrost layer is slowly decomposing & dropping into these lakes. Further decomposition of the plant matter is generating vast quantities of methane gas, it was amazing to watch him light these flares off.
Apparently the Arctic warms at 2 to 3 times the rate of the rest of the planet. So the 1C we have at the moment translates into up to 3C "oop North".

I couldn't find it when I posted this morning, but there is an odd quirk in the methane emissions graph for the planet. The emissions rate has levelled off over recent years.

This melting tundra is comparatively recent, no? So I wonder if we'll see CH4 levels going up again soon? If we don't, maybe there's some feedback going on that will buy us more time?
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Old 11.08.2008, 16:31
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Thawing of Siberia





Wondering what happened last time global temperatures rose 5 degrees in a short period of time?
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Old 19.08.2008, 12:18
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Mmm the dilemma - my teeth vs the planet. If the whole world switched over to electric toothbrushes it wouldn’t be good for climate change now would it? A report prepared for the UN in June recommended ditching the electric toothbrush to help reduce greenhouse gasses!
Why should the car owner always gets the rough end of the stick?
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Mmm the dilemma - my teeth vs the planet. If the whole world switched over to electric toothbrushes it wouldn’t be good for climate change now would it? A report prepared for the UN in June recommended ditching the electric toothbrush to help reduce greenhouse gasses!
Why should the car owner always gets the rough end of the stick?
Does that go equally for those toothbrushes powered by disposable batteries as well as rechargable/mains toothbrushes? I would have thought the disposable battery versions would have the biggest impact - environmentally speaking.
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Mmm the dilemma - my teeth vs the planet. If the whole world switched over to electric toothbrushes it wouldn’t be good for climate change now would it? A report prepared for the UN in June recommended ditching the electric toothbrush to help reduce greenhouse gasses!
Why should the car owner always gets the rough end of the stick?
That really is ridiculous, they consume less than 5w, the UN can go **** themselves. In fact I now want to email the UN commission responsible:

Subject: RE: Climate tips - reduce usage of electric toothbrushes
Dear UN Climate bloke,
Go **** yourself.

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Does that go equally for those toothbrushes powered by disposable batteries as well as rechargable/mains toothbrushes? I would have thought the disposable battery versions would have the biggest impact - environmentally speaking.
It all adds up. In the disposable battery versions there's the added question of toxic waste. Those "pearly whites" come at a cost!
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Old 19.08.2008, 12:59
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That really is ridiculous, they consume less than 5w, the UN can go **** themselves. In fact I now want to email the UN commission responsible:

Subject: RE: Climate tips - reduce usage of electric toothbrushes
Dear UN Climate bloke,
Go **** yourself.

Best Regards,
Peachy
Dear Peachy,
Thank you for your suggestion.
But if the whole world used electronic toothbrushes that's 6.6 billion x 48 grams co2 = 317 million kilos of co2 every day released into the atmosphere. Now I know not every member of the world population has teeth, maybe because some don't use electric toothbrushes, but you get the drift. By the way, that's about the same emissions as your electric alarm clock. Perhaps you might also consider using a wind-up alarm clock.
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Old 19.08.2008, 13:03
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Re: Electric toothbrush - is it worth it?

To help avoid adding to the emitted CO2 problem, I suggest a campaign be started to force the introduction of the Buttered-Toast-Cat-Rotor system, a natural device harnessing the properties of toast and cats. A relay of such rotors could be used to drive large machinery and it's surely only a matter of time until the Japanese develop a minuturised genetically engineered cat small enough to fit into an electric toothbrush.
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Dear Peachy,
Thank you for your suggestion.
But if the whole world used electronic toothbrushes that's 6.6 billion x 48 grams co2 = 317 million kilos of co2 every day released into the atmosphere. Now I know not every member of the world population has teeth, maybe because some don't use electric toothbrushes, but you get the drift. By the way, that's about the same emissions as your electric alarm clock. Perhaps you might also consider using a wind-up alarm clock.
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Dear UN Bloke,
You bizarre suggestions are exactly why people do not understand how to reduce their power consumption.
  • Stop using your toothbrush - Reduced power consumption 5w/h for 24 hours (go **** yourself)
  • Switch off your computer at night - Reduce power consumption 150w/h for 10 hours
  • Switch off lights when leaving a room . Reduced power consumption by 60/w hour for 8 hours.
  • Don't leave your fridge door open. No idea but this is a change of habit that has a positive effect rather than a stupid unrealistic suggestion that limits consumer choice.
Either way you should be encouraging Nuclear power and encouraging the use of electricity over fossil fuels (yes, including electric heating) rather than telling people not to buy electric toothbrushes.

In summary, go **** yourself.

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Old 19.08.2008, 13:34
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Dear UN Bloke,
You bizarre suggestions are exactly why people do not understand how to reduce their power consumption.
  • Stop using your toothbrush - Reduced power consumption 5w/h for 24 hours (go **** yourself)
  • Switch off your computer at night - Reduce power consumption 150w/h for 10 hours
  • Switch off lights when leaving a room . Reduced power consumption by 60/w hour for 8 hours.
  • Don't leave your fridge door open. No idea but this is a change of habit that has a positive effect rather than a stupid unrealistic suggestion that limits consumer choice.
Either way you should be encouraging Nuclear power and encouraging the use of electricity over fossil fuels (yes, including electric heating) rather than telling people not to buy electric toothbrushes.

In summary, go **** yourself.

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Old 19.08.2008, 18:19
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Dear UN Bloke,
You bizarre suggestions are exactly why people do not understand how to reduce their power consumption.

In summary, go **** yourself.

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Dear Peachy,
Nobody messes with the UN and gets away with it.
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Old 19.08.2008, 18:50
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Nobody messes with the UN and gets away with it.

should either be quote or joke of the day .......
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

As published online by The Economist:
The Fed and Climate Change

it would be interesting to read the Fed's full analysis. Will try to look for it later today.

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Old 28.08.2008, 21:04
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it would be interesting to read the Fed's full analysis. Will try to look for it later today.
It would indeed be interesting to find that Economists might be getting a clue.
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Maybe
http://www.frbsf.org/publications/ec...2008-26.html#2

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Old 29.08.2008, 12:23
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Hmm, so I read the conclusion and it basically said "Wow, some regions will gain benefits from climate change." and "Oh boy, we'll have to give up winter sports".
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Hmm, so I read the conclusion and it basically said "Wow, some regions will gain benefits from climate change." and "Oh boy, we'll have to give up winter sports".
Hmm.
What did you expect from the Federal (P)reserve?

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Old 30.08.2008, 23:16
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This seems appropriate

Climate Experts Tussle Over Details. Public Gets Whiplash.

Maybe worth a thread of its own.
More of the same. Apparently this

Jeff Huggins, a Ball, a Jug of Gas, a Jar of Oil

inspired these.

Public Opinion and Climate: Part I

Public Opinion and Climate: Part II

From the first part "First, the media have not communicated the basics of climate science well enough. Second, they have caused confusion about what scientists agree upon and what they don’t by relying on he-said/she-said reporting; when no context or weight is given to the relative merits of each argument, such reporting can create a false sense of balance in the minds of readers and viewers."

In my opinion, most of the to-ing and fro-ing on this thread-that-won't-die is due to those points above. I have difficulty seeing it as other than unprofessional journalism.

And from the second article "Because journalists have not clearly explained that each question has its own curve, news consumers typically conflate them. In other words, when the public sees uncertainty about the various impacts of climate, they tend to extrapolate that to mean there is uncertainty about the link between human-caused greenhouse gases and warming."
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

This is maybe of interest for you guys; hope that it hasn't already been posted:

Science has no influence on climate policy
http://www.ethlife.ethz.ch/archive_a...ation/index_EN
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