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Old 25.03.2009, 09:15
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what about all those computers being switched on every day ? they might add a bit warmth to the planet every day too don't they.
In most of western countries around 2% of power goes to IT world.

Hint: use ur laptop battery instead :-)!!
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Old 25.03.2009, 09:28
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Not that I doubt the unbiased reporting of the worldnetdaily.

Had a quick look at the article from worldnetdaily, I found a press release issued by the planck insititue about one of the papers referenced in the article.

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“Just to make things clear: we are not stating that anthropogenic climate change won’t be as bad as previously thought”, explains Prof. Mojib Latif from IFM-GEOMAR. “What we are saying is that on top of the warming trend there is a long-periodic oscillation that will probably lead to a to a lower temperature increase than we would expect from the current trend during the next years”, adds Latif. “That is like driving from the coast to a mountainous area and crossing some hills and valleys before you reach the top”, explains Dr. Johann Jungclaus from the MPI-M. “In some years trends of the two phenomena, the anthropogenic climate change and the natural decadal variation will add leading to a much stronger temperature rise.”
I couldn't find the anything specific relating to the Leibniz paper referenced, but a look at their other output would suggest they're still pretty worried about climate change.
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Old 25.03.2009, 14:13
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Not that I doubt the unbiased reporting of the worldnetdaily.
How about from the Cato Institute:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/.../reg15n2g.html

Wall street journal:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220

Reason Magazine:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/132183.html
http://www.reason.com/news/show/132111.html

And the film called The Great Global Warming Swindle:

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Old 25.03.2009, 14:26
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These are all articles by the same guy, he certainly gets around, I don't need multiple sources of the same thing. I was pointing out the other "supporting" articles don't.

I get it, he's a climate sceptic, it's all a conspiracy.
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Old 25.03.2009, 14:34
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These are all articles by the same guy, he certainly gets around, I don't need multiple sources of the same thing. I was pointing out the other "supporting" articles don't.

I get it, he's a climate sceptic, it's all a conspiracy.

But there are thousands of other scientists. They call it a political swindle, or fear propaganda. Apparently, there's a lot of money and political power at stake.

Here are some other names; Professor Tim Ball, Professor Nir Shaviv, Professor Ian Clark, Dr. Piers Corbyn, Lord Lawson of Blaby, Professor John Christy, etc.

But I know you would rather not see any of this.
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Old 25.03.2009, 14:44
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

And it's not just in the West that the whole AGW theory is being demolished.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02...t_translation/

Anybody who believes in this nonsense needs their head examined. Either that or they are a scientist whose career depends upon it.
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Old 25.03.2009, 14:50
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But there are thousands of other scientists. They call it a political swindle, or fear propaganda. Apparently, there's a lot of money and political power at stake.

Here are some other names; Professor Tim Ball, Professor Nir Shaviv, Professor Ian Clark, Dr. Piers Corbyn, Lord Lawson of Blaby, Professor John Christy, etc.

But I know you would rather not see any of this.
And what makes you think that there isn't a lot of power and money involved in covering climate change up? I'm sure you don't want to think about that either.

I mean it's not like heavy industries don't already have powerful lobbies and PR firms working to help them keep their profits up. Not to mention religious groups seeking to undermine science.

And yes, I'm aware of climate skeptics, here's another list, based on the differing levels.
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Old 25.03.2009, 14:56
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And what makes you think that there isn't a lot of power and money involved in covering climate change up? I'm sure you don't want to think about that either.
Yeah, I do think about that. In the end, it's a wash. It's just that we're missing the evidence necessary to drop everything we're doing and start following what some other says.
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Old 25.03.2009, 15:04
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Yeah, I do think about that. In the end, it's a wash. It's just that we're missing the evidence necessary to drop everything we're doing and start following what some other says.

This is the whole point, most people aren't suggesting we need to drop everything, but take precuations to evade a possible crisis, rather than waiting till it goes to crap (potentialy) than crying and wailing wondering why nobody did anything about it.
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Old 25.03.2009, 15:17
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This is the whole point, most people aren't suggesting we need to drop everything, but take precuations to evade a possible crisis, rather than waiting till it goes to crap (potentialy) than crying and wailing wondering why nobody did anything about it.
Which precaustions, and at what cost?
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Old 25.03.2009, 15:28
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

How much are you willing to gamble for the lives of those who could be affected? The argument you're actually making, is why should I care? You don't want to do anything about it and hope it will go away. Whatever figure is put, it'll be a waste.

Is it like we could do with less renewable energy? More efficient systems for any manner of things from cars to industry? Could our air not benefit from being cleaner? Is the world worse off with more trees?

I'm not the scientist, but laughing at anyone for being even slightly green is pretty ridiculous.
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Old 25.03.2009, 15:35
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Is it like we could do with less renewable energy? More efficient systems for any manner of things from cars to industry? Could our air not benefit from being cleaner? Is the world worse off with more trees?
I think all the above are perfectly acceptable and laudable goals. However I, personally, don't need Climate Change constantly rammed down my throat as a reason to achieve them.
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This is the whole point, most people aren't suggesting we need to drop everything, but take precuations to evade a possible crisis, rather than waiting till it goes to crap (potentialy) than crying and wailing wondering why nobody did anything about it.
It's hugely arrogant of the global warming lobby to

a) think that humans have so much control they can warm the planet.

b) think that we are so brilliant that we can get the planet to cool down.

It's a natural process, been happening for untold millenia, long before there were humans on the planet, and there is nothing we can do about it except be flexible and adapt to the changes as they come.
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Old 25.03.2009, 16:19
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It's hugely arrogant of the global warming lobby to

a) think that humans have so much control they can warm the planet.

It's a natural process, been happening for untold millenia, long before there were humans on the planet, and there is nothing we can do about it except be flexible and adapt to the changes as they come.
Control??!! it's side effect of all dirty and careless activities human does!
Natural!!?? Nature doesn't burn a bilion year collected oil,in 2 centuries!

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a) think that humans have so much control they can warm the planet.
I think it's the lack of control that's the problem

Were we hugely arrogant in thinking we could make a hole in the ozone layer? and shrink that back down? Probably that never happened.
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Control??!! it's side effect of all dirty and careless activities human does!
Natural!!?? Nature doesn't burn a bilion year collected oil,in 2 centuries!

Study more, bitte!
Please don't make sensationalist claims. There are enough about already.

The carbon in the oil is merely returning to the atmosphere. Do you not realise that is where it came from originally?
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I think it's the lack of control that's the problem

Were we hugely arrogant in thinking we could make a hole in the ozone layer? and shrink that back down? Probably that never happened.
I'm sure I read somehwere that they now believe the ozone hole is a natural, cyclical event.
However, I'll need to do some investigating to find the source. Bear with me...
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Old 25.03.2009, 16:32
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I think it's the lack of control that's the problem

Were we hugely arrogant in thinking we could make a hole in the ozone layer? and shrink that back down? Probably that never happened.
Thanks for mentioning that point. You are correct in your guess that it didn't happen; just more sensationalist nonsense from the green lobby.

http://everything2.com/title/Hole%25...zone%2520layer
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Please don't make sensationalist claims. There are enough about already.

The carbon in the oil is merely returning to the atmosphere. Do you not realise that is where it came from originally?
Then pls. bring the shits you made and sent to rivers, and lakes, back to your toilet (the original place)!
And breath Carbon instead of O2, like it was billion years ago! Man, there was no human when there was more carbon on air!
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