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That is interesting work. New fields seem to be always opening up. I'm sure there is more to be discovered in cross-discipline science.

I also read about detection of low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR). The "New" Cold Fusion.
http://www.livescience.com/technolog...ld-fusion.html

The area of spintronics is also interesting. There must be a way to harness the energy in magnetics.
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Visit http://www.dieoff.org/ and read about the failure of economic "theory" and try to imagine what it would be like if, say, a billion people were to die in 10 years.
That was a, err, fun presentation. But I got the just of it: We're F'ed. But we always knew that, didn't we?
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I also read about detection of low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR). The "New" Cold Fusion.
http://www.livescience.com/technolog...ld-fusion.html
I wouldn't hold my breath...

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Nope. Spintronics is basically about computing. Magnetic refrigeration, however, is quite an interesting topic. There's a lot of research going into materials that demagnetise at room temperature and provide vastly more efficient cooling that the current compression/rarefication cycle systems we use at present. Very, very simple, but needs better materials first. Basically, an ordered magnet absorbs heat from its surroundings to disorder itself. When it's disordered, it takes comparatively very little energy to reorder it with an external magnetic field. We used to use this principle (and still do) in labs to cool things below 1.9 K as it's a much cheaper method than using Helium-3. Adiabatic demagnetisation, it used to be called. I wanted one of those set-ups in our lab, but the supervisor firmly believes anything that happens under 2 K is physics, not chemistry...
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Don't get me wrong. Of course I am saying we should reduce consumption, but to be realistic, without popul. control, it will not work! you empty one glass of water from the pool, while they pour one barrel in the pool.
What do you know about population dynamics? Can you tell me why China's population is still increasing, even though their fertility rate is about 1.7 and has been for years. The "steady state" replacement rate is around 2.1.

In terms of consumption, population is not too high right now. If it was, we'd already be in full die off mode. Now, what's your target population? How quickly would you like to get there? I'll assume you just want to reduce fertility levels without mandating an increased death rate at the same time. Whatever, world population will continue to increase before levelling off and decreasing.

In the meantime, concentrate on reducing energy expenditure. That will have an immediate effect in reducing the rate at which we expend irreplaceable, high quality energy sources. For me, these energy sources should be employed more for constructing their replacements than for sustaining the already unsustainable.
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What do you know about population dynamics? Can you tell me why China's population is still increasing, even though their fertility rate is about 1.7 and has been for years. The "steady state" replacement rate is around 2.1.

In terms of consumption, population is not too high right now. If it was, we'd already be in full die off mode. Now, what's your target population? How quickly would you like to get there? I'll assume you just want to reduce fertility levels without mandating an increased death rate at the same time. Whatever, world population will continue to increase before levelling off and decreasing.

In the meantime, concentrate on reducing energy expenditure. That will have an immediate effect in reducing the rate at which we expend irreplaceable, high quality energy sources. For me, these energy sources should be employed more for constructing their replacements than for sustaining the already unsustainable.
Steady state needs more than 1 generation to reach, say min. 35 years, and then gradually stabilizes, so probably in nex few year it will start decreasing (beside the fact statistics from China are not very reliable and some cheat in remote areas ,....).
In some parts of earth,there are already Dieoffs inc.subsaharan Africa,...
eeven some wars like Darfur,... is partlydue to lack of resources!

Total consumption= cons. per capita X popul.
Second part increases more than first part decline
As simple as this.
Simply check amount of traditional power plants recently bulit in Developing areas, and compare it to very little wind or solar one in west!
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Wow. I have to say. I read how some of you refer to yourselves as “scientists”, but really, you are just following your own religion here. One quotes one guy, while another quotes another book. Back and forth between the different surveys and study’s they go. It's no different than a Christian quoting Moses out of the Book of Genesis, Paul out of the book of Romans, or John from the book of Revelation. Jews used to gather in the synagogue to debate scriptures as well. Just goes to show, after thousands of years, people haven’t changed much.


Scientists like Bell, Franklin, Ford, the Wright brothers, all produced things with their “speculations.” They all used their knowledge to produce things and to change the world.

“Scientists” in this day and era, can include anyone. Anyone who wants to debate, theorise, and insist that there is no higher power.

Since this is a religious thread, I figure I’ll quickly share why I think this thread is so valuable.

We were built to last forever! Yes, I know how crazy that sounds, but it’s true. We are always trying to figure out how to live longer. We (as in most humans) hate to age visibly. Women spend loads of money on cosmetics and skin care products to cover up and reverse the signs of aging. Men are not exempt from this either. You see men with hair loss issues sporting a really bad comb over or trying plugs. And you will find that there are many people afraid to die. And now that we say this world is dying and falling apart, we fight to keep it alive and young. Another example is the Hindu belief of reincarnation.

Yes, we were built to last forever. It is hot wired into our DNA. Even before TV and Magazines started preaching that we needed to look younger, eternity was built in.

Our world will pass away. It’s a sad fact. It’s written in the Book of Revelation from the prophet John. No amount of Green Peace, or Green Lobby or whatever, is going to save it. (That doesn’t mean that I don’t believe in trying to keep my home clean. It just means that we are on the losing end of this battle)

Now why would God create a world that would out live us if we were built to last forever...? Sin. Sin kills us, at least physically. But our spirit will live on forever.

I’m sure you know the rest of this sermon...

If you want to know more about how to live forever, message me. I’ll tell you all about Jesus.
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Nice one PatriciaNBern!

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Utterly defeatist.
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Here is the UN memo on dealing with climate change.

UN Framework Convention on Climate Change

Interesting how it is mostly about shifting wealth to the formation of a new (green) economic sector, based on the carbon emissions theory. I don't see any discussion of disaster recovery, nor alleviating poverty. It's mainly about UN control of; carbon taxes and levies, public funding of reasearch, and restrictions of goods and services.

There is way too much at stake to hand over such important topics to such short-sighted ideas. I hope they don't get very far before they come to some necessary realizations.
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Here is the UN memo on dealing with climate change.

UN Framework Convention on Climate Change

Interesting how it is mostly about shifting wealth to the formation of a new (green) economic sector, based on the carbon emissions theory. I don't see any discussion of disaster recovery, nor alleviating poverty.
I think they're hoping to avoid a disaster, but a quick google brings us to US/ISDR.

Poverty doesn't come under Climate Change, it comes under Poverty.
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Wow. I have to say. I read how some of you refer to yourselves as “scientists”, but really, you are just following your own religion here. One quotes one guy, while another quotes another book. Back and forth between the different surveys and study’s they go. It's no different than a Christian quoting Moses out of the Book of Genesis, Paul out of the book of Romans, or John from the book of Revelation. Jews used to gather in the synagogue to debate scriptures as well. Just goes to show, after thousands of years, people haven’t changed much.


Scientists like Bell, Franklin, Ford, the Wright brothers, all produced things with their “speculations.” They all used their knowledge to produce things and to change the world.

“Scientists” in this day and era, can include anyone. Anyone who wants to debate, theorise, and insist that there is no higher power.

Since this is a religious thread, I figure I’ll quickly share why I think this thread is so valuable.

We were built to last forever! Yes, I know how crazy that sounds, but it’s true. We are always trying to figure out how to live longer. We (as in most humans) hate to age visibly. Women spend loads of money on cosmetics and skin care products to cover up and reverse the signs of aging. Men are not exempt from this either. You see men with hair loss issues sporting a really bad comb over or trying plugs. And you will find that there are many people afraid to die. And now that we say this world is dying and falling apart, we fight to keep it alive and young. Another example is the Hindu belief of reincarnation.

Yes, we were built to last forever. It is hot wired into our DNA. Even before TV and Magazines started preaching that we needed to look younger, eternity was built in.

Our world will pass away. It’s a sad fact. It’s written in the Book of Revelation from the prophet John. No amount of Green Peace, or Green Lobby or whatever, is going to save it. (That doesn’t mean that I don’t believe in trying to keep my home clean. It just means that we are on the losing end of this battle)

Now why would God create a world that would out live us if we were built to last forever...? Sin. Sin kills us, at least physically. But our spirit will live on forever.

I’m sure you know the rest of this sermon...

If you want to know more about how to live forever, message me. I’ll tell you all about Jesus.
Thank you so much. I always appreciate it when a poster saves me a lot of time by - in one post - driving home the point that they're nuts and all their future posts should be disregarded.
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I think they're hoping to avoid a disaster, but a quick google brings us to US/ISDR.

This is an objective worth supporting. But as for the attempted power grab by meddling with economics, they ought to get their story straight first.

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"A United Nations document on "climate change" that will be distributed to a major environmental conclave next week envisions a huge reordering of the world economy, likely involving trillions of dollars in wealth transfer, millions of job losses and gains, new taxes, industrial relocations, new tariffs and subsidies, and complicated payments for greenhouse gas abatement schemes and carbon taxes — all under the supervision of the world body."


U.N. 'Climate Change' Plan Would Likely Shift Trillions to Form New World Economy
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Lets just interject yet another expert opinion into this :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...ever-told.html
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Lets just interject yet another expert opinion into this :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...ever-told.html
If that's right, then there's a few cats among pigeons there. Mond you the Maily Telegraph doesn't mind doing a bit of it own scaremongering nowadays, so who knows?
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

It's not the DT's opinions. They are quoting a Real Scientist in the correct field.

I've wondered for a long time why these atolls which are only 2m above sea level haven't disappeared yet. Now I know
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It's not the DT's opinions. They are quoting a Real Scientist in the correct field.

I've wondered for a long time why these atolls which are only 2m above sea level haven't disappeared yet. Now I know
Mmmmmyes, but the DT will often only print opinions that match with its own and will thus find someone who does have one...
not saying this chap is wrong or anything, but anything published in a 'broadloid' makes me vaguely suspecious of the motives.
But, if he's right about the use of only pointer in a scenario as big as this, then that was a very silly thing to do. I might have a nose around his publication record.

edit: just had a peek at his wiki entry and it's not too littered with tin-foil-covered material (bar the water divining). The criticism of the IPCC report regarding sea-level changes is interesting in that, if he is correct, none of the 33 members was an expert in the field they were writing about.
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Nothing would benefit science as much as humility. Its encouraging to see scientists get baffled. I love the headline of this article from the Daily Mail:

Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith - is the new enemy of reason

Oftentimes, its the discovery of the Black Swan that really proves to be of any value. Great to see that some scientists still prize it.
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Nothing would benefit science as much as humility. Its encouraging to see scientists get baffled. I love the headline of this article from the Daily Mail:

Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith - is the new enemy of reason

Oftentimes, its the discovery of the Black Swan that really proves to be of any value. Great to see that some scientists still prize it.
Ah, my money would be on it being written by their reporter who launches into science and any religion other than Christianity at every opportunity. Luckily for him, he's in a newspaper and not having to back anything up properly, so he can say whatever he likes.
Are we creeping back to religion again?
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