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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Hmm. Two references to Daily Telegraph articles by the same author.
So, what's wrong with that?

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You didn't even bother to refer to the original Nature or BBC posts.
I didn't see the need to link to the BBC article, because Phos already linked to it a few posts earlier.

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You exhibit strong selection bias and weak scepticism when it comes to interpreting "facts". Hence my "religious" quip.
Oh, so those who do not come to a different conclusion you have show a selection bias and weak scepticism?
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Old 16.10.2009, 19:45
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I agree. "The Great Global Warming Swindle" is a pack of lies and misrepresentation. It makes Michael Moore looked impartial.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Talking about Global Warming and who to point the finger at, somebody's worked out that a medium sized pet dog has the same carbon footprint as a Toyota land cruiser and a cat has the same impact as a VW Golf :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...ok-claims.html
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My cat is soft and warm, so I can cut down on heating bills.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Good news: It seems that the truth is slowly coming to light and it looks more and more like the skeptics have been right all along...

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?


Warmist conspiracy exposed?

Good 'ClimateGate' link collection at Climate Depot

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Old 22.11.2009, 00:10
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

You keep trying to sell it, Homer.
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Old 22.11.2009, 06:28
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I think it's bigger than us....

We only have a little to do with than, I think the change is global and natural. I've read once on the NASA website than it was all the solar system's planets which were affected by a warming.
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Good news: It seems that the truth is slowly coming to light and it looks more and more like the skeptics have been right all along...

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?


Warmist conspiracy exposed?

Good 'ClimateGate' link collection at Climate Depot

Check out the truth behind this and you'll see it's nothing of the kind. Just the denyers using highly selective quotations to apparently "prove" their case. http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/...ews/CRU-update
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Old 22.11.2009, 09:06
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I think it's bigger than us....

We only have a little to do with than, I think the change is global and natural. I've read once on the NASA website than it was all the solar system's planets which were affected by a warming.
"I read once on the NASA website ..." - is that it then, as far as you're concerned? That's all the evidence you needed to look at to make up your mind?
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Old 22.11.2009, 09:19
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"I read once on the NASA website ..." - is that it then, as far as you're concerned? That's all the evidence you needed to look at to make up your mind?

Of course not. Do you think I'm stupid ?

It's hours of reading stuff, watching shows, listening radio shows about different subjects.
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Old 22.11.2009, 09:30
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Good news: It seems that the truth is slowly coming to light and it looks more and more like the skeptics have been right all along...

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?


Warmist conspiracy exposed?
Took a bit of digging, but it looks like all the alleged e-mails are here:

Alleged CRU Emails - Searchable

I found it under the Climate Depot link below, with the title "Update: CRU Emails - Searchable Database Set Up"

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Good 'ClimateGate' link collection at Climate Depot

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Old 22.11.2009, 09:33
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Do you think I'm stupid ?
I would not presume to know the answer to that one way or the other yet. But keep posting and it'll help me make up my mind..

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It's hours of reading stuff, watching shows, listening radio shows about different subjects.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Took a bit of digging, but it looks like all the alleged e-mails are here:

Alleged CRU Emails - Searchable

I found it under the Climate Depot link below, with the title "Update: CRU Emails - Searchable Database Set Up"
The RealClimate blog has something on their site. Dated 20th November.
The CRU hack
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

I recommend using divergency or delete as search terms on the above mentioned link. You will see that the "selective quote" idea is rubbish and there has been what amounts to fraud in the output from the CRU.

Fixing data, self review, selective data, hiding/destroying data.

Not very scientific I'm afraid. And we have been basing western socioeconomic policy on this non-scientific data for 10 years!
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I recommend using divergency or delete as search terms on the above mentioned link. You will see that the "selective quote" idea is rubbish and there has been what amounts to fraud in the output from the CRU.

Fixing data, self review, selective data, hiding/destroying data.
Have you read all those below? I read the first one

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Not very scientific I'm afraid. And we have been basing western socioeconomic policy on this non-scientific data for 10 years!
Can you clarify the second sentence? I'm of the opinion that governmental response to AGW has been well short of what the IPCC has been recommending.
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I recommend using divergency or delete as search terms on the above mentioned link. You will see that the "selective quote" idea is rubbish and there has been what amounts to fraud in the output from the CRU.

Fixing data, self review, selective data, hiding/destroying data.

Not very scientific I'm afraid. And we have been basing western socioeconomic policy on this non-scientific data for 10 years!
Actually none of the "scientific data" is refuted at all.

Also, "we have been basing western socioeconomic policy on this non-scientific data for 10 years" ? How so ? Because last I checked most Western governments have been doing their damndest *not* to base "socioeconomic policy" around pretty much anything on scientific data.
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Seems to me that the nasty Bush (who "dont believe in global warming") vs the nice Gore ("who does believe, but only if CO2 = Global Warming") is a game that is being played.

I'm not saying that there is not a threat to the environment and i've spent years writing about pollution and the poisoning of our air, water and food supplies. But all that was done by the same people that are now pushing the CO2 = Public Enemy No1 bandwagon.

I would imagine that the proposals the the Blair administration have in mind when they talk about limiting CO2 gas have nothing to do with benefiting the environment or our children and grand children.
So if you believe in Global warming then what is the problem?
If CO2 is the problem then treating it as such is fine and will help.
If CO2 is not the problem then what is the harm in treating it like it is until we find a better scapegoat?

No one here is saying that Bush wasn't an imbecile or that Gore isn't benefiting from the public movement to accept some sort of mechanism for Global warming.

All I will say is that I have seen real data and spoken with a real weather scientist who has been looking at this data all of his life and global warming is real. Most of the scientists you speak of aren't saying that it has to be CO2. It is simply the most variable mechanism that exists as of this time. We aren't making significantly more water are we? I do know that human activity is increasing the load of greenhouse gasses.

Maybe it is the CO2 maybe it is the H2O that is the problem. I don't understand how this changes the overall situation. If Global Warming is real then we still have real issues to deal with. Starting arguments that have an almost religious quality to them is not going to make the waters recede nor will burning a Bush give us any greater insight or answers.

We need all the help that we can get from each other. As far as I can tell this kind of rhetoric is not helpful.

Maybe it is all BS. So I guess the Greenland Ice fields are melting because they just feel like it? Plus there is evidence of increase violence in weather events.

Maybe we should be more precise in what we are talking about. The correct term for what is happening is Climate Change. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that more scientists aren't touting the global warming mantra these days. Maybe the reduction in global warming claims by real scientists is because they are accurate in their definitions and are now insisting on using climate change as the preferred term. I will be honest in saying that I am surmising these possibilities. However, I do know that no scientists I have spoken to recently use the term global warming any more.

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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

The more I look at this phenomenon, our efforts to do anything about it are looking increasingly futile. The West can do all it wants, and in the end it probably won't make much difference because of the currently developing countries. We can cut emissions, and then what? Ask them to put a halt to the advancement of their economies? "Ohai, India. We lived like kings for the last century, but we made a mistake. You can't have affordable cars and air conditioning. Kthxbye." They're going to tell us to f**k off and I don't blame them.

I think maybe it's time to shift policy from trying to prevent it, to finding ways of absorbing its economic and social effects.

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