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Old 10.08.2010, 12:59
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It doesn't seem to me that your gripe is accurately directed. The contradictory positions posted by those EFers didn't originate with them, but with scientists, which only suggests that the matter isn't as scientifically "settled" as some would like it to be (however politically "settled" it might be). In any case, "Stop it!" doesn't exactly sound like a scientific response to the on-going rigorous critical analysis and debate that often accompany a matter under scientific consideration.
The debate certainly isn't as "unsettled" as some would like to portray it, however politically "unsettled" it may seem.
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Old 10.08.2010, 13:16
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It doesn't seem to me that your gripe is accurately directed. The contradictory positions posted by those EFers didn't originate with them, but with scientists, which only suggests that the matter isn't as scientifically "settled" as some would like it to be (however politically "settled" it might be). In any case, "Stop it!" doesn't exactly sound like a scientific response to the on-going rigorous critical analysis and debate that often accompany a matter under scientific consideration.
If you're posting something supporting the view that there is warming, but it's not anthropogenic that may be undermining an earlier post which said there isn't warming at all. Of course there's a difference between posting a link/report and writing your own opinion or comment, but to some extent simply posting research is showing support for it. There seems to be a sense among the sceptics of throwing whatever mud they can at climate change explanations, predictions and calls for action, and hoping that some of it sticks. It's poor argument to hold two contradictory positions simultaneously.
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Old 16.08.2010, 16:33
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/

what a set of mugs we are in the west....
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Old 16.08.2010, 16:48
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what a set of mugs we are in the west....
This is surely a damning article for the sheeple, Chinese officials endorse a book proclaiming a conspiracy of westerners looking to hold their dear country back!! What news...
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what a set of mugs we are in the west....
I don't care what the Chinese do. I do believe we are pushing too much the limits of the planet we live in, and I'll continue doing my little to consume less and produce less pollution. Call me a mug.
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Old 16.08.2010, 19:27
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I don't care what the Chinese do. I do believe we are pushing too much the limits of the planet we live in, and I'll continue doing my little to consume less and produce less pollution. Call me a mug.
and that is exactly what confuses me,
I think its fine and dandy to 'consume less' if you want, although what that has to do with all the climate 'change' rubbish I don't know...

producing less pollution .... also fine...
the global warming arguement seeks to legitimise a Carbon tax which is exactly a tax on consumption, now explain what carbon taxes have got to do with saving the environment?
there are many many many legitimate environmental causes and this C02 hype doesn't help any of them....


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I don't care what the Chinese do. I do believe we are pushing too much the limits of the planet we live in, and I'll continue doing my little to consume less and produce less pollution. Call me a mug.
Giff, your a mug.
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Old 10.09.2010, 12:56
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

after the failure at Copenhagen, the establishment seek to re-brand Climate Change as 'overpopulation' even when their own estimates identify growth rate of less than 2.1 as the real long term issue...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09...-world-leader/
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Old 10.09.2010, 13:06
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after the failure at Copenhagen, the establishment seek to re-brand Climate Change as 'overpopulation' even when their own estimates identify growth rate of less than 2.1 as the real long term issue...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09...-world-leader/
I fail to see how your comment and the article you cite are in any way connected.
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Old 10.09.2010, 13:08
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I fail to see how your comment and the article you cite are in any way connected.
you read it right?
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Old 10.09.2010, 13:10
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you read it right?
Yes, did you?
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Old 10.09.2010, 13:42
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after the failure at Copenhagen, the establishment seek to re-brand Climate Change as 'overpopulation' even when their own estimates identify growth rate of less than 2.1 as the real long term issue...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09...-world-leader/
Ha ha. You're citing Fox News. That says a lot.
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Old 10.09.2010, 14:01
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Ha ha. You're citing Fox News. That says a lot.
Not only that, he's citing it incorrectly, no doubt the article was scanned, the words "climate change" and "overpopulation" both appeared in the text, and conclusion was jumped to.
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Old 10.09.2010, 15:03
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

as usual the ad hominum arguement

I actually read this

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...eat_papers.pdf

and I agreed with the conclusions from the fox narrative

what conclusion did you come to...
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Old 10.09.2010, 15:15
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as usual the ad hominum arguement

I actually read this

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...eat_papers.pdf

and I agreed with the conclusions from the fox narrative

what conclusion did you come to...
What conclusion are you talking about? Use a quote or something, it's a description of the events at the UN summit where they talked about problems such as ongoing conflicts, poverty and global warming and how the UN should tackle them.

Nowhere in either article is there talk about rebranding global warming as overpopulation in some sinister spin scheme.
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Old 10.09.2010, 15:44
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as usual the ad hominum arguement
Actually I'm mainly alluding to the fact that Fox is an unreliable, partisan source that merely masquerades as news.
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Old 10.09.2010, 15:51
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

It's climate change, not global warming.

Regardless, you guys make it sound like if there was no global warming issue, then there would be no reason to curb pollution, over-consumption, dependence on fossil fuels, environmental degradation, etc. All these have enough reasons on their own to be of high concern.
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Old 10.09.2010, 15:54
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It's climate change, not global warming.

Regardless, you guys make it sound like if there was no global warming issue, then there would be no reason to curb pollution, over-consumption, dependence on fossil fuels, environmental degradation, etc. All these have enough reasons on their own to be of high concern.

No way dude---it needs to be hollywoodized. EPIC. Comeon! the Statue of Liberty is going to be underwater!!!
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Old 10.09.2010, 16:02
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as usual the ad hominum arguement

I actually read this

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...eat_papers.pdf

and I agreed with the conclusions from the fox narrative

what conclusion did you come to...
The sourced report is how the UN wants to tackle global warming without impacting the general quality of life of everyone, and in fact, still improve quality of life for everyone. If anything it's a direct refutation of the secret aims of a global warming conspiracy, that they want to retard development of third world nations and enslave people with taxes.

Of course, they would say that though, wouldn't they?

It's like you've missed most of the important points of what they're trying to achieve and singled out some particular section, which one I haven't yet worked out, that somehow confirms your suspicion that it's some Machiavellian ploy. Overall they just seem to trying to work with governments to tackle a real problem in an as effective way as possible that tries to avoid adverse impacts.

WTF do you see?
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Giff, you're a mug.
Don't mention it.

This thread was started by black propaganda.

Only when they can figure out how to make more money out of global warming than they can by ignoring it, will it stop.
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