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Old 14.09.2010, 15:03
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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It's climate change, not global warming.

Regardless, you guys make it sound like if there was no global warming issue, then there would be no reason to curb pollution, over-consumption, dependence on fossil fuels, environmental degradation, etc. All these have enough reasons on their own to be of high concern.
don't worry the dissenting voices have been told to SHUT UP
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tig...345/story.html
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Old 14.09.2010, 15:23
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don't worry the dissenting voices have been told to SHUT UP
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tig...345/story.html
The guy in the article doesn't appear to be dissenting. It also applies to all fields, not just climate change.
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Old 14.09.2010, 15:28
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The guy in the article doesn't appear to be dissenting. It also applies to all fields, not just climate change.
In addition, I don't think the authorities in this case are trying to control the publication of scientific papers, just which government employees speak to the media. This is common practice in commercial companies and in other areas of government, e.g. you wouldn't expect any civil servant to talk to the media, just the department's Communications Team. It sounds in this case as if the government has gone too far, but I don't think there are any particular implications here for the climate change debate.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

http://www.spinonthat.com/CO2_files/The_Diurnal_Bulge_and_the_Fallacies_of_the_Greenho use_Effect.html


http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1966SAOSR.207.....J&db_key= AST&page_ind=0&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type= SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES


top down heating mind....
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

You buy the science in that? It's rubbish, and it didn't take me look to work that out without going to a single global warming website.

Try checking things like, "why are shadows black" (they aren't, but not for the reasons stated in the article), "how do greenhouses work", again, not how the article represents it.

I got bored after that.
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You buy the science in that? It's rubbish, and it didn't take me look to work that out without going to a single global warming website.

Try checking things like, "why are shadows black" (they aren't, but not for the reasons stated in the article), "how do greenhouses work", again, not how the article represents it.

I got bored after that.
It's simply another example of slinging stuff and seeing what sticks. I don't mind repeated attempts at falsification, that's what science is about, but a lot of this stuff is pretty lame.
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You buy the science in that? It's rubbish, and it didn't take me look to work that out without going to a single global warming website.
You don't even need to do that. Much like Creationism, you can pretty much guarantee anything starting with: "the so called "Greenhouse effect" is just an hypothesis" is going to be full of utter tripe.
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Old 17.09.2010, 17:02
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You don't even need to do that. Much like Creationism, you can pretty much guarantee anything starting with: "the so called "Greenhouse effect" is just an hypothesis" is going to be full of utter tripe.
I agree with the sentiment, but even facts are hypotheses to a certain extent . . . i.e always falsifiable. That's science.
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Old 17.09.2010, 17:26
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

A is not a part of "The Greenhouse Effect".

B & C - so what? Straw man arguments.

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You buy the science in that? It's rubbish, and it didn't take me look to work that out without going to a single global warming website.
There is no science in that. A rather jumbled mess of confusion, genuine or not.
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Seems to me that the nasty Bush (who "dont believe in global warming") vs the nice Gore ("who does believe, but only if CO2 = Global Warming") is a game that is being played.

I'm not saying that there is not a threat to the environment and i've spent years writing about pollution and the poisoning of our air, water and food supplies. But all that was done by the same people that are now pushing the CO2 = Public Enemy No1 bandwagon.

I would imagine that the proposals the the Blair administration have in mind when they talk about limiting CO2 gas have nothing to do with benefiting the environment or our children and grand children.
I think this is what happens when you actually believe CNN and FOX deliver quality news broadcasts - you start spouting hogwash that could drown a whole family of hogs!
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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the version they would like to put out.....

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the version they would like to put out.....
It might be a good idea to let people know that this video contains some pretty repulsive images of people being blown up.
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the version they would like to put out.....
That's disgusting and damaging, especially the reference to the 'Final Solution'.
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That's disgusting and damaging, especially the reference to the 'Final Solution'.
I don't think Taichief agrees with the makers of the video, but I agree that it was pretty tasteless to put it up here.

It's a nasty, nasty piece of film, and it's very disappointing to discover who made it, too.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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I don't think Taichief agrees with the makers of the video, but I agree that it was pretty tasteless to put it up here.

It's a nasty, nasty piece of film, and it's very disappointing to discover who made it, too.
Given Taichef's previous posts on Climate Change and conspiracies in general I wasn't so sure.
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Old 06.10.2010, 19:58
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It's a nasty, nasty piece of film, and it's very disappointing to discover who made it, too.
OK . . . I've just seen the original, and that's simply crap. The version that Taichef put up is nasty though because it lacks context and evokes the Holocaust.
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OK . . . I've just seen the original, and that's simply crap. The version that Taichef put up is nasty though because it lacks context and evokes the Holocaust.
You mean his version isn't the original?

I didn't look at it: I just presumed it was the same as the one that has been in the news.

I'm still not going to watch it, mind.
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Old 07.10.2010, 08:19
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

This morning's clouds over the subject:

Solar surprise for climate issue
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Putting these various factors together, Professor Haigh's team calculates that over this three-year period, solar influences produced a net warming - not the net cooling that previous observations and theory predicted.
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Old 07.10.2010, 08:41
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This morning's clouds over the subject:

Solar surprise for climate issue
OK, Lets firstly (hopefully) have a working link.

Now some quotes from that article that are not out of context:

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The Sun's influence on modern-day global warming may have been overestimated, a study suggests.
In other words, man made warming is a BIGGER factor than previously thought

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But, they add, the research does not challenge the role of humanity's production of greenhouse gases as the dominant long-term driver of modern-day climate change.
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"If you could extrapolate... the climate models have been over-estimating the Sun's effect on temperature [rise]."
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The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded that humanity's emissions over the 20th Century were about 10 times more important as a driver of temperature rise then the slow upward trend in average solar output.
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