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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Do you see why the article is not about the science?
NO. You mean Dr Evans isn't a scientist? The Daily Express prints lies? How are we supposed to know? All the consumer gets is screwed in the name of climate change...
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...The Daily Express prints lies? How are we supposed to know?...
Haven't you answered your own question here? It's the Daily Express. 'nuff said.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Very throughly debunked. A nice summary here. Very simply put, Evans got his "facts" completely wrong.
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Old 14.06.2011, 08:57
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

The problem is how many people read (and believe what they read in) the Daily Express - and how many read scienceblogs.com??
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The problem is how many people read (and believe what they read in) the Daily Express - and how many read scienceblogs.com??
I know. Trouble is people are stupid.
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Old 14.06.2011, 10:08
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Very throughly debunked. A nice summary here. Very simply put, Evans got his "facts" completely wrong.
If you read the comments following this summary you will see that a number of people do not think Evans is thoroughly debunked.

Certainly there were some statements in Evans article that could not be supported, equally there are some statements in this summary that cannot be supported.

For example, this summary states "with this new evidence including the fact that the world had cooled from 1940 to 1975. Apparently this was too silly even for the Australian, so he now offers us four alleged facts"
Then this summary includes a Nasa global temperature graph which does show cooling from 1940 to 1975!

By the way, these articles are not new - they date from 2008.

What is clear is that the global temperature trend over the last 10/12 years is flat; whether it will continue so or turn up or turn down I personally have no clue. No doubt many people have strong views on this topic
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Old 14.06.2011, 10:21
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Then this summary includes a Nasa global temperature graph which does show cooling from 1940 to 1975!
Which graph is that one?
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Old 14.06.2011, 10:49
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Which graph is that one?
The graph I mentioned I have copied from the article & is attached.
As you can see the trend from 1940 to 75 is cooling, the annual temps themselves jump around quite a lot.

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Old 14.06.2011, 11:29
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The graph I mentioned I have copied from the article & is attached.
As you can see the trend from 1940 to 75 is cooling, the annual temps themselves jump around quite a lot.

Got ya, but the guy says it cooled, It's certainly not as dramatic as the warming, more of a leveling off, no? I guess it's semantics.

The arguments from both sides seem to concentrate on the three warmings, 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-present. Of course, I could be the victim of misdirection by whatever dubious forces are behind it all that just want me to think there's no cooling.
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NO. You mean Dr Evans isn't a scientist? The Daily Express prints lies? How are we supposed to know? All the consumer gets is screwed in the name of climate change...
In the Daily Express article the wordage attributed to Dr Evans amount to hearsay only. One man's opinion C'n'P'ed from one web page to another.

To recognise this does not require a science or any other degree. It just requires that one applies some simple scepticism and critical thinking. In the article, Evans does not appear to offer any proof of his assertions.

There are no facts, nor references to any facts. For that reason alone the article should be ignored, irrespective of whether it is pro or anti climate change.

The same critical thinking could (should?) be applied whether we are talking about AGW or the effect of speed cameras on road deaths or anything else.

It's irrelevant that Dr Evans is a scientist as no data are presented. It's also irrelevant whether The Daily Express prints only lies - especially as there are no facts to check, so in a sense no lies to find.
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Old 15.08.2011, 08:49
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

With all the "100 year floods" that have been happening in the past few years, hail in Singapore a few years back..

"Today" New Zealand was covered in snow...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10745187

Gotta wonder..
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Old 15.08.2011, 10:03
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Gotta wonder..
That's why Global Warming has been renamed to Climate Change.
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Old 15.08.2011, 10:05
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That's why Global Warming has been renamed to Climate Change.
And should be renamed to Complete and Utter Climate Unpredictability
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Old 15.08.2011, 13:02
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And should be renamed to Complete and Utter Climate Unpredictability
Call it whatever fancies you.
Methinks that unless we start to apply some intelligence + tech (even lo-fi) we're pretty much scr3w3d.

IMHO mind you

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Old 17.08.2011, 12:00
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1) (Going back upthread) Volcanic CO2 output (equivalent to the electricity production of the USA - you wouldn't leave that out, so why this?).
I spotted this on Real Climate, which brought back memories I was surprised to have considering how drunk I usually was at the time.

Volcanic vs. Anthropogenic CO2


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Old 17.08.2011, 12:57
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Of course it's ridiculous. Everyone knows you're supposed to plot global average temperature versus the number of pirates.
Just wanted to make sure we are all on the same page. From the original plotted chart by Bobby Henderson (B.S. Physics from Oregon State University):

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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Sorry to drag up an old thread (not really!)

I just came across this UK Met office graph of Global temps; the blue lines are the trend lines. It covers the period 1850 to 2011.
The temperature trend shown of climate change has been relatively flat for the last 10/12 years - or even declining. So far 2012 is looking similar & is currently expected to be the 11th warmest year since 1850.

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Old 08.01.2013, 14:58
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Back to an old thread

Global warming at a standstill, new Met Office figures show.

From today's Telegraph, link is here

Mind you if the Met Office are forecasting this then likely the opposite will occur .
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

For all those gullible sheep on here that believed the Global Warming or Climate Change (that was already an admission of failure) that the media was going on about, here is an interesting article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...#disqus_thread

One or two I particularly remember, no names mentioned, that went on and on about their science qualifications that meant we had to respect whatever they said.

The comments below the article are quite interesting.....................LOL

Some people just seem to have common sense.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

I note that Christopher Booker, the author of the Daily Telegraph article, has an impressive history of contrarian points of view, notably doubting the dangers of asbestos and the link between passive smoking and cancer. Both of which he was completely wrong to doubt.

The graph in his article is completely stupid.



0°C is not a true zero point. It is completely arbitrary. If the graph was of, say, road deaths, he would be right. But 0°C is just the freezing point of water. It has no special significance here. So no points to either Lawrence Solomon (who sells coffee beans on the side, such is his stature as an environmentalist) or Christopher Bonkers.
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