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Which, obviously, will never change.
Not as long as idiots oppose nuclear.

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Old 04.04.2013, 00:29
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Sure you can. Same principle as "off peak" power.
Something that only exists in the German-speaking cantons.

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Old 04.04.2013, 00:31
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As finite supply will never keep up with exponentially increasing demand, the prices are going to increase no matter what we do.
Who says it's finite?

Anyway, drink less alcohol dude, and we'll be fine!

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Something that only exists in the German-speaking cantons.

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Which obviously means that's the only place it could ever exist, right ?
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Old 04.04.2013, 01:02
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Who says it's finite?


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We were talking about power produced from fossil fuels. Yes, it is finite, unless you want to wait a few million years, dude.
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Old 04.04.2013, 01:16
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Anyway, drink less alcohol dude, and we'll be fine!
What does alcohol,(which not that it really matters but I am far from being a regular or habitual drinker), have to do with the topic? Even if I were, is your own self-esteem so low that you would make such a comment without even knowing someone?
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Old 04.04.2013, 01:31
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They don't even need to be centralised (and, indeed, shouldn't be). Solar power will play a HUGE part in the decentralisation and democratisation of power generation for non-industrial use.
I agree, but i'm choosing my battles and not trying to open a different can of worms right now in this thread, and turn the topic to how efficient solar panels are and what the energy yield would be in comparison to energy needed to produce the panels in the first place (something i dont really know about)
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Really ? How much power does the original engine produce ? I bet it would have struggled to hit a triple-digit-horsepower rating.
You're right, 95 HP. But the thing is huge and heavy, and doesn't seem like a good use of energy to drive around. I guess I should have written that I am pessimistic that it would ever be a good idea to power such a huge hulk of steel, efficiently or not...
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

So electric cars to cut down on fossil fuel consumption...

...because of global warming....

...even though the weather is colder than normal...

...and there have been no signs of global warming in the last 10 years...

...but the electricity is generated with fossil fuel anyway....

...what a bunch of wankers trying too hard to convince themselves of something they claim to believe. I might leave all my lights on just to annoy them.
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Old 04.04.2013, 01:42
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Sure you can. Same principle as "off peak" power.
How do you get off-peak power from Solar (when it is dark!)
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Old 04.04.2013, 01:43
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@Jobsrobertsharpii......No response but baseless name calling. When you can't answer the question, you attack the person who asked it (attempting to relegate them with any label you think may fit). You undermine your own credibility and avoid the issue altogether (Re: Global warming - what's behind it?) .
You're quite hilarious... I've responded repeatedly, which you've ignored while continuing to blather on. I've posted videos, which have been ignored. I've suggested books, which have been ignored. I even tried peer-reviewed papers, and those were ignored as well. This behavior is highly consistent with religious zealotry. You've drank so much of the Kool-Aid that the ONLY thing I can do is group you with the EnviroZombies and dismiss you. Like the other one, when push comes to shove, you're just another pop-science rabid apologist for questionable environmentalism and a dogmatic bigot of scientism.

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It's slightly off topic- but in case anyone is interested in the truth about electric cars, here's from wikipedia regarding the...
That "documentary" is just another thinly-disguised anti-capitalist screed. It almost surpasses Roger & Me in its blatant bias, and totally ignores the fact that the California law was horrible, in that it forced an expensive, underdeveloped, and unpopular technology to be rolled out well before its time, simply because an ignorant mob voted for it. It was bad in the same way having a child 1 month prematurely is bad, and it only hurt the image of the electric car in the US. Proof is in the pudding- look at the abysmal sales of the Chevy Volt. Further, Fiskars didn't help when their car suffered a catastrophic (read: car can't drive) failure before it could even be tested by Consumer Reports, the only car to ever do so!

Tesla, on the other hand, seems to be doing a good job. The cars are attractive, powerful, and reliable. The only issues are price (which will come down if/when Tesla recoups R&D costs), range, and infrastructure.

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Ah, yes. Climate change is just a great big conspiracy that's been around for fifty-odd years (at least) that the vast majority of the world's scientists have subscribed to.

There is very little in the science that is either a) disputable, or b) disputed.



This is a straw man argument.



As is this.
You can keep saying it, but a lie repeated often enough is still a lie. AGW/ACC is not a proven theory; in fact it is not even a generally agreed-upon theory.

And, BTW, every point that disagrees with you is not automatically a straw-man argument. I've never heard that phrase used so much...

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Not so far as I know.



You don't know anything about my "core philosophy".



Hypocrite.



I don't recall ever having "apologised" for the "Environmental Movement" (whatever you might believe that to be).



Sure. It's the same list of rubbished "research" that denialists parrot all the time.
I don't think you know your core philosophy, except to disagree with others. You ignore anything that doesn't agree with AGW/ACC, and label everything else as a straw-man argument...

The two of you are so full of the Environmental Kool-Aid that there's no room for any other thought between you, and no matter how many others disagree with you two, you continue to label & dismiss. When you can't make any points, you change the subject. I've stopped trying to argue the science with you two, because your vapid close-mindedness is utterly appalling.
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Old 04.04.2013, 01:59
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Temperatures *have* risen. Just not *as fast*.

Your premise is broken.



Say, at least as long as the trend in rising temperatures - a century or two, perhaps ?



Not when you consider the land ice, and thus the overall ice volume, is decreasing.
About "Temperatures *have* risen. Just not *as fast*. Your premise is broken."

My premise? I was just looking at the data in the best source the UK Met office graph here.

About "Say, at least as long as the trend in rising temperatures - a century or two, perhaps ?"
Actually the trend in rising temperatures was for around 80 years from 1920 to 2000, look at this UK Met office graph; not a century or two.

About "Not when you consider the land ice, and thus the overall ice volume, is decreasing" & your source for this?
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Like the other one, when push comes to shove, you're just another pop-science rabid apologist for questionable environmentalism and a dogmatic bigot of scientism.
Is this worse than being a commie watermelon?

I reckon you ought to ask one of the mods to write you a little script to automate your groans for pilatus1 and drsmithy as soon as you log in. Scalable of course, so you can add more names as needed.

It'll save you some bother.
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Old 04.04.2013, 02:21
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About "how long do these modern vehicles maintain that level of efficiency and low emissions" - basically a lifetime - the emissions are measured & controlled by computer - if the level of efficiency and low emissions changes then a little light comes on telling the driver to get it fixed. Now in Switzerland it is an offence to ignore this little light.

About "Or at a street side terminal much like a parking meter" I agree but this means ripping up all the pavements worldwide where people park to install metered electricity outlets & their infrastructure. Not a difficult problem to solve but does not sound like an exercise that is good for the environment & who will pay for this work? - eventually the motorist.

About "The new Tesla Model S motor has outperformed the BMW M5 in a drag race" I know but what has this to do with efficient use of the energy source?

Finally as I asked before "Where will all this additional electricity come from?". UK & Germany are already talking about possible power cuts due to the various restrictions on power production. Are you proposing we build a lot more fossil fuel or nuclear power stations?
It is commonly quoted that motor vehicles use about 260 billion US gallons per year of petrol & diesel. One US gallon is roughly equivalent to 36KW/h. I suppose you could say that the electric vehicles are more efficient than the internal combustion ones so you need less electricity than a straight equivalent of 260Bn gallons. On the other hand you get transmission losses with electricity which will be amplified if you start shipping electricity to every steet parking place? Either way the amount of extra electricty needed is mind boggling!
not to mention that generating electricity, transmitting it and then converting it back to useable form in a car is massively inefficient. petrol/diesel engine is far more efficient than electric cars. this is before you even touch on the issue of batteries...
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Old 04.04.2013, 02:22
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More importantly, choice. You can today in many countries buy electricity from a variety of suppliers, including niche suppliers. Gas stations are mostly in the hands of a small number of big boys who cultivate a cartelesque understanding of competition. The niche and small suppliers are effectively being kept outside.
You mean like SSE plc (formerly Scottish and Southern Energy plc) which is an electric utility company and was today fined £10.5M for mis-selling; see here.
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Finally as I asked before "Where will all this additional electricity come from?".
If energy schemes like the UK's Green Deal are successful, homes and buildings with solar panels can feed surplus electricity back into the national grid.
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You mean like SSE plc (formerly Scottish and Southern Energy plc) which is an electric utility company and was today fined £10.5M for mis-selling; see here.
At least in the UK, it's easy to switch energy suppliers if you're unhappy.
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They don't even need to be centralised (and, indeed, shouldn't be). Solar power will play a HUGE part in the decentralisation and democratisation of power generation for non-industrial use.

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Doesn't Solar Power have to do something with sunshine ??

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Solar would be the obvious choice.
Again, I always thought that "Solar" had something to do with sunshine ?

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So electric cars to cut down on fossil fuel consumption...

...because of global warming....

...even though the weather is colder than normal...

...and there have been no signs of global warming in the last 10 years...

...but the electricity is generated with fossil fuel anyway....

...what a bunch of wankers trying too hard to convince themselves of something they claim to believe. I might leave all my lights on just to annoy them.
Again, a lame justification for a deliberately wasteful and impactful lifestyle, whether or not human influenced global warming exists.
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You're quite hilarious... I've responded repeatedly, which you've ignored while continuing to blather on. (
Again, I'm still waiting for the answers to these specific questions which Ive asked you repeatedly, and which you are incapable of answering. Your arguments and attacks are full of non-sequitors (like the above quoted statement. You've responded with attacks, and links to info that do not answer the specific questions)


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You've drank so much of the Kool-Aid that the ONLY thing I can do is group you with the EnviroZombies and dismiss you. Like the other one, when push comes to shove, you're just another pop-science rabid apologist for questionable environmentalism and a dogmatic bigot of scientism.(
Again, more name calling and attacks instead of useful info on the topic. You say that you "dont quote statistics and science", and call me a bigot of scientism...

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That "documentary" is just another thinly-disguised anti-capitalist screed. (
You seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder about 'anti-capitalism', looking for anything that threatens the current state of affairs and label it as such. Building and attacking the straw man over and over....
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... in fact it is not even a generally agreed-upon theory.
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And, BTW, every point that disagrees with you is not automatically a straw-man argument. I've never heard that phrase used so much...(
Your right, but I've never been confronted with so many straw-man arguments.

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... there's no room for any other thought between you, and no matter how many others disagree with you two, you continue to label & dismiss. When you can't make any points, you change the subject.
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I can only speak for myself, but I haven't labeled or dismissed you. (seems to be your strategy, no?) Same goes for changing the subject.
So far, you've called me "ignorant", a "mystical fanatic"," lazy", a "communist disguised as environmentalist watermelon", a "pop-science rabid apologist for questionable environmentalism", and a "dogmatic bigot of scientism". You've referred to my "vapid close-mindedness", and stated that "the ONLY thing I can do is group you with the EnviroZombies and dismiss you." What label have you got for me next?

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Old 04.04.2013, 09:55
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What does alcohol,(which not that it really matters but I am far from being a regular or habitual drinker), have to do with the topic?
If you consume it (drink, burn, whatever), it produces CO2.

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