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I once read about a guy, a japanese inventor, who would do this under water (he'd sit there with an pen that can write underwater). Apparently it has has a particular effect, and he said that many of his inventions came to him this way.
was it this guy ????

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Mkay. I am also very interested in the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons you mention. Care to expand.
Another interesting thought is that polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are considered to be one possible origin of life on earth. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycyc...ic_hydrocarbon
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Interesting page. Whether they were a possible origin of life is speculation though - what we know for sure is that they are pollutants - carcinogens and linked to other health problems.


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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

I said the guy was from Japan, not outer space!

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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

If you read those regulations you will note that they are primarily concerned with the handling of liquid or sold CO2 (ie dry ice) - which are pure forms of CO2, ie 100% CO2.

The second article says that "It has been reported that submarine personnel exposed continuously at 30,000 ppm were only slightly affected, provided the oxygen content of the air was maintained at normal concentrations [Schaefer 1951]"

When you consider that air has only around 300 ppm of CO2, this means that even if the CO2 levels were to increase 100 fold, it would not have effect human life - we need O2 to live, and CO2 doesn't kill us.

Human metabolism may well be dependent on CO2 as you suggest, but it's plant life that needs CO2 - as CO2 levels rise, plant life thrives.

CO2 and O2 are natural, biological products essential for life.

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Mkay. Maybe you need to get in touch with the guys that establish dangerous goods regulations which are used worldwide, I'm sure they'd be interested with your input.

I'm sure they have a hidden agenda when warning people that inhaling anything above 5% CO2 can kill you within minutes.



I am interested in that OH theory. I thought anaerobic Krebs cycles functioned somewhat differently.



What you fail to understand is that ironically the human metabolic system is driven by CO2 blood saturation, not by O2.



Nitrogen is dangerous? LOL. Maybe i should stop nitrox diving. Or maybe not.

I am also very interested in the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons you mention. Care to expand.
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Old 10.05.2007, 19:32
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If you read those regulations you will note that they are primarily concerned with the handling of liquid or sold CO2 (ie dry ice) - which are pure forms of CO2, ie 100% CO2.
You crack me up. When is a last time you read those regulations and had a Dangerous Goods handling course? And gaseous CO2 isn't pure? We're dealing with partial pressures (google entry: partial pressure and try to copy paste a smart response) and volume concentrations, so 5% CO2 means 100% of 5% by volume pure CO2.

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The second article says that "It has been reported that submarine personnel exposed continuously at 30,000 ppm were only slightly affected, provided the oxygen content of the air was maintained at normal concentrations [Schaefer 1951]"
Ah yes, and we all know what "slightly affected" in military parlance means.

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When you consider that air has only around 300 ppm of CO2, this means that even if the CO2 levels were to increase 100 fold, it would not have effect human life - we need O2 to live, and CO2 doesn't kill us.
True. Stupidity does. Try wrapping a plastic bag around your head and see how long you resist, exhaling "impure" CO2 into the bag.

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Human metabolism may well be dependent on CO2 as you suggest, but it's plant life that needs CO2 - as CO2 levels rise, plant life thrives.
What I suggest is you have no understanding of the issue. Human metabolism requires O2 to fuel the mitochondrial processes, however it has no O2 gauge, only a CO2 gauge.

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CO2 and O2 are natural, biological products essential for life.
How's that bag experiment going?

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Carbon dioxide is a surrogate for indoor pollutants that may cause occupants to grow drowsy, get headaches, or function at lower activity levels. To eliminate most Indoor Air Quality complaints, total indoor carbon dioxide must be reduced to below 600 ppm. NIOSH considers that indoor air concentrations of carbon dioxide that exceed 1000 ppm are a marker suggesting inadequate ventilation (1,000 ppm equals 0.1%). ASHRAE recommends that CO2 levels not exceed 1000 ppm inside a space. OSHA limits carbon dioxide concentration in the workplace to 0.5% for prolonged periods. The U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health limits brief exposures (up to ten minutes) to 3% and considers concentrations exceeding 4% as "immediately dangerous to life and health." People who breathe 5% carbon dioxide for more than half an hour show signs of acute hypercapnia, while breathing 7 – 10% carbon dioxide can produce unconsciousness in only a few minutes. Carbon dioxide, either as a gas or as dry ice, should be handled only in well-ventilated areas.
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Old 10.05.2007, 19:45
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I said the guy was from Japan, not outer space!
ya just don't get it, do you ?????
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The difference between the two is that since the body does not react to increased levels of CO in blood, you will pass out peacefully (same happens when O2 decreases below normal levels).

The body will fight rising CO2 levels by increasing respiratory frequency (and the horrible "I can't breathe feeling") but the end result will be the same.

A 40'000 ppm concentration is classified as an immediate threat to life (for the math inclined people, that's 4% by volume). Maximum short term exposure is 30'000 ppm and average safety limit 5'000 ppm.
It's to do with the partial pressure of O2 and CO2. That is, if you replace 4% O2 with 4% CO2, you get different effects than if you replace N2 (about 70% of the atmosphere) with CO2 instead.
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What's forgotten on this subject is the secondary affects of warming with much nastier greenhouse gases such as methane.

Melting Siberia (thanks to increase in temp from CO2 + others) releases plenty of this stuff from the peat bogs which is x10 more potent as a greenhouse gas. (Don't quote me but I know it has a much more dramatic affect.)
Yep. As the permafrost in Siberian and Canadian tundra warms, the anaerobic bacteria in the mud start to produce CH4. Smelly and nasty.

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They are even seeing this affect in the UK and acedemics have suddenly realised that this could be far more sinister than CO2.
I doubt the word "suddenly". CH4's relative warming effect has been long understood.

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On another note, anyone heard of global dimming?? Something to look up!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
Of course. The paradoxical fact that pollution aerosols have been reducing the warming effects of warming.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

You have the patience of a saint chaps, I'll leave James counting space bats if I were you
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Old 10.05.2007, 21:01
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You have the patience of a saint chaps, I'll leave James counting space bats if I were you
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Give away with your bourgeois non-sense, that's proper forward thinking:

http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/176_trots.shtml
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Old 10.05.2007, 21:15
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couldn't find David Icke's email ... next best thing mate ....
me@jesus.com

Tony Bliar - is he, isn't he going. Still more exciting that Gordon Brown, I say. He's begging for a spitting image puppet to be made for him
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Old 10.05.2007, 21:48
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Tony Bliar - is he, isn't he going. Still more exciting that Gordon Brown, I say. He's begging for a spitting image puppet to be made for him
well yes he is going ... thank God

was just on Google News & he doesn't appear with Gordon Brown on the "in the news" links ....
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You have the patience of a saint chaps, I'll leave James counting space bats if I were you
Either that or telling us about China's myths.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

You gave two bits of evidence to 'prove' that CO2 is toxic, and I've used your own supplied data to show that it is not - so you've resorted to talking crap in the hope that no one notices that your talking crap!

Lets be clear - the goods handling is concerned with 100% CO2 either as liquid or dry ice. That's totally different then 0.038% of CO2 that is in the air, and even at 100% CO2 is not that bad. Compare it to the hundreds of thousands of chemical poisons that we are subjected to. Read about the uses of dry ice if you don't agree. Remember, plants live on CO2 - you would not get any photosynthesis without it.

Your second page mentioned a scientific study that showed that even a 100 fold increase in CO2 only slightly affected submarine personnel - so now you've resorted to suggesting that the study was somehow flowed!

These are typical tactics used to decieve.

I'd imagine that the scientists monitored all bodily functions - heart beat, blood pressure, blood test, IQ tests, etc and determined that the 100 fold increase in CO2 had a negligible effect.

Think about what this means - if CO2 in air doubles (ie a 100% increase), then it will be 600 ppm. The chances of this happening a minute. However, the submarine personnel were exposed continuously at 30,000 ppm, and were hardly effected.

If you put a plastic bag around your head, you'd soon die from the lack of oxygen - not from re-inhaling the CO2 that you exhaled!

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You crack me up. When is a last time you read those regulations and had a Dangerous Goods handling course? And gaseous CO2 isn't pure? We're dealing with partial pressures (google entry: partial pressure and try to copy paste a smart response) and volume concentrations, so 5% CO2 means 100% of 5% by volume pure CO2.



Ah yes, and we all know what "slightly affected" in military parlance means.



True. Stupidity does. Try wrapping a plastic bag around your head and see how long you resist, exhaling "impure" CO2 into the bag.



What I suggest is you have no understanding of the issue. Human metabolism requires O2 to fuel the mitochondrial processes, however it has no O2 gauge, only a CO2 gauge.


How's that bag experiment going?
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

1. All matter absorbs certain wavelengths of sunlight. For gases, water vapour at 4% of air, accounts for 99% of the so called greenhouse gas activity.

2. Thank you for informing us that air samples get trapped in ice

3. Ditto for scientists ability to measure past temperatures

4. Thanks also for informing us that the air today has a whooping, astronomically high 5ppm more then the previous 400,000 years.

However, as air has around 300ppm, this 5ppm is may be due to statistical error.

When they first measured CO2 a hundred or so years ago it was 0.0038% of the air, today it is still 0.0038% of the air.


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Somehow I wish that all Global Warming sceptics would be invited
  • to a labratory so they can see in a spectral analysis that CO2 in fact absorbs certain wavelengths of sunlight and therefor really is a greenhouse gas
  • to the pole cap drill holes so they can see that the air samples trapped in the ice in fact come from deep down
  • to the many thousand wood samples so they can see that science in fact is able to estimate the temperature of past summers, oh and show them a C14-analysis, too
  • to a modern air control station so they can see that our athmosphere contains 5ppm CO2 more than any ice core sample of the last 400'000 years
Well that would be very expensive. And we still were stuck with the creationists (sorry: intelligent designers), 9/11ers, chemtrailers...
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You gave two bits of evidence to 'prove' that CO2 is toxic, and I've used your own supplied data to show that it is not - so you've resorted to talking crap in the hope that no one notices that your talking crap!
Indeed.

But the real question is why aren't you focusing on China's myths anymore?
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Indeed.

But the real question is why aren't you focusing on China's myths anymore?
I do not agree with Jamesk, but that remark is ad hominem, and demeans you.
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