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He says "what lies ahead in the coming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a global and very prolonged temperature drop.”
One solution could be to drive your car needlessly and generate more CO2, but would the AGW crowd finally admit that CO2 wasn't the cause in the first place?
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I hope you're right and the temperatures continue to level out.

But I don't think the Met Office actually said that global warming has stopped. Their recent decadal forecast was picked up by certain newspapers and interpreted to mean global warming has stopped.

From the Met Office decadal forecast:

The latest decadal prediction suggests that global temperatures over the next five years are likely to be a little lower than predicted from the previous prediction issued in December 2011.

However, both versions are consistent in predicting that we will continue to see near-record levels of global temperatures in the next few years.

This means temperatures will remain well above the long-term average and we will continue to see temperatures like those which resulted in 2000-2009 being the warmest decade in the instrumental record dating back to 1850.

Decadal predictions are specifically designed to predict fluctuations in the climate system through knowledge of the current climate state and multi-year variability of the oceans.

Small year to year fluctuations such as those that we are seeing in the shorter term five year predictions are expected due to natural variability in the climate system, and have no sustained impact on the long term warming.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/rel...adal-forecasts
About "This means temperatures will remain well above the long-term average and we will continue to see temperatures like those which resulted in 2000-2009 being the warmest decade in the instrumental record dating back to 1850."

Some research published here a couple of years ago in Geophysical Research Letters claims that in the last 4,000 years there were 72 decades warmer than this one (I mean decade 2001 to 2010).

All depends on your definition of long term I suppose?
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About "This means temperatures will remain well above the long-term average and we will continue to see temperatures like those which resulted in 2000-2009 being the warmest decade in the instrumental record dating back to 1850."

Some research published here a couple of years ago in Geophysical Research Letters claims that in the last 4,000 years there were 72 decades warmer than this one (I mean decade 2001 to 2010).

All depends on your definition of long term I suppose?
Having a slow day?

Too bad the Met Office's instrumental record doesn't go back 4000 years.
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Having a slow day?

Too bad the Met Office's instrumental record doesn't go back 4000 years.
About "Too bad the Met Office's instrumental record doesn't go back 4000 years."
True, maybe it would give a fairer view if it did?

About "Having a slow day?" also true!
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About "Too bad the Met Office's instrumental record doesn't go back 4000 years."

True, maybe it would give a fairer view if it did?
It would have been very useful, I'm sure.

Takuro Kobashi and Kenji Kawamura, the first two contributors to the geophysical research letters you mention, were expert reviewers for the climate change report that was released by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) last month.

The IPCC report concludes that global warming is unequivocal and confirms a 95 percent chance that human-created pollution is the cause, although it doesn’t deny that natural occurrences are also factors.

The third contributor to those letters, Jeffrey Severinghaus (commenting on the IPCC report), claims that certainty (of man-made climate change) is backed up by a 99 percent capture of human signatures on carbon in the air by using radioactive isotopes, but factoring in the role of nature brings the percentage down to 95.

I didn't bother checking out the other five contributors.

Global warming can be debated until well after the cows come home, and I think it's a waste of time. I have eyes and can see for myself the destruction we leave behind as we over-populate, consume, hoard and pollute. We upset the balance of nature wherever we go, and we're far too good at it. And it especially p1sses me off when greed (rather than need) is behind the destruction.

I'm of the opinion that there's only so much sh1t we can pump into the world before we all end up swimming in it.
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It would have been very useful, I'm sure.

Takuro Kobashi and Kenji Kawamura, the first two contributors to the geophysical research letters you mention, were expert reviewers for the climate change report that was released by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) last month.

The IPCC report concludes that global warming is unequivocal and confirms a 95 percent chance that human-created pollution is the cause, although it doesn’t deny that natural occurrences are also factors.

The third contributor to those letters, Jeffrey Severinghaus (commenting on the IPCC report), claims that certainty (of man-made climate change) is backed up by a 99 percent capture of human signatures on carbon in the air by using radioactive isotopes, but factoring in the role of nature brings the percentage down to 95.

I didn't bother checking out the other five contributors.

Global warming can be debated until well after the cows come home, and I think it's a waste of time. I have eyes and can see for myself the destruction we leave behind as we over-populate, consume, hoard and pollute. We upset the balance of nature wherever we go, and we're far too good at it. And it especially p1sses me off when greed (rather than need) is behind the destruction.

I'm of the opinion that there's only so much sh1t we can pump into the world before we all end up swimming in it.
About "I'm of the opinion" -I do not have an opinion on the global warming topic.
I am interested when some research pops up that seems contrary to the main stream view & look forward to some theories & debate on why?

It is a pity that in this scientific age people who ask such questions are treated as heretics were treated some many years ago.
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About "I'm of the opinion" -I do not have an opinion on the global warming topic.
*cough*

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It is a pity that in this scientific age people who ask such questions are treated as heretics were treated some many years ago.
Oh, FFS. Melodramatic much ?

People who come to the table with good scientific reasoning and research are welcomed. Their evidence is examined, tested and if valid, absorbed into the theory.

People who play "god of the gaps", or similar fallacies, and argue worldwide conspiracy, are rightly pilloried.
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*cough*



Oh, FFS. Melodramatic much ?

People who come to the table with good scientific reasoning and research are welcomed. Their evidence is examined, tested and if valid, absorbed into the theory.

People who play "god of the gaps", or similar fallacies, and argue worldwide conspiracy, are rightly pilloried.
About "Oh, FFS. Melodramatic much ?"

And about "People ........... are rightly pilloried"

Exactly, thank you for confirming my point
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It would have been very useful, I'm sure.

Takuro Kobashi and Kenji Kawamura, the first two contributors to the geophysical research letters you mention, were expert reviewers for the climate change report that was released by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) last month.

The IPCC report concludes that global warming is unequivocal and confirms a 95 percent chance that human-created pollution is the cause, although it doesn’t deny that natural occurrences are also factors.

The third contributor to those letters, Jeffrey Severinghaus (commenting on the IPCC report), claims that certainty (of man-made climate change) is backed up by a 99 percent capture of human signatures on carbon in the air by using radioactive isotopes, but factoring in the role of nature brings the percentage down to 95.

I didn't bother checking out the other five contributors.

Global warming can be debated until well after the cows come home, and I think it's a waste of time. I have eyes and can see for myself the destruction we leave behind as we over-populate, consume, hoard and pollute. We upset the balance of nature wherever we go, and we're far too good at it. And it especially p1sses me off when greed (rather than need) is behind the destruction.

I'm of the opinion that there's only so much sh1t we can pump into the world before we all end up swimming in it.
About "I'm of the opinion that there's only so much sh1t we can pump into the world before we all end up swimming in it"

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant; it is the stuff that makes the flowers grow.
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...People who come to the table with politically correct reasoning and research are welcomed. Their evidence is examined, tested and if compatible, absorbed into the politically correct theory...
Fixed that for you.
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*cough*



Oh, FFS. Melodramatic much ?

People who come to the table with good scientific reasoning and research are welcomed. Their evidence is examined, tested and if valid, absorbed into the theory.

People who play "god of the gaps", or similar fallacies, and argue worldwide conspiracy, are rightly pilloried.
....Aaannd Scientism rears its ugly head again. Fun.
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One solution could be to drive your car needlessly and generate more CO2, but would the AGW crowd finally admit that CO2 wasn't the cause in the first place?
I cannot help but feel that big corporations started blaming the motor cars to divert attention from them killing the rain forests and polluting the oceans
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About "Oh, FFS. Melodramatic much ?"

And about "People ........... are rightly pilloried"

Exactly, thank you for confirming my point
Maybe I misunderstood your point.

I thought you said that people who came asking legitimate questions, with hypotheses, research and evidence to support them, are "treated like heretics".

This is utter tripe.

Now, if you're saying the people who come without hypotheses, research and evidence, trying to argue that because understanding is not 100% perfect then the whole idea is null and void, or using other fallacies and irrelevant conspiracies as a reason to ignore the science are ignored or ridiculed, then you need to expand a bit on why they shouldn't be.
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Fixed that for you.
The "politically correct" research and reasoning are, by and large, denialism.

Hence the reason nothing is really changing.
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About "I'm of the opinion that there's only so much sh1t we can pump into the world before we all end up swimming in it"

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant; it is the stuff that makes the flowers grow.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm
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....Aaannd Scientism rears its ugly head again. Fun.
Presumably you prefer to rely on invisible sky wizards and magic to define how the world works ?
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Presumably you prefer to rely on invisible sky wizards and magic to define how the world works ?
When did I ever say that? Apparently your passion for straw-man arguments hasn't diminished, I see...

I, unlike yourself, just have not forgotten that science is a belief system. Its been months, but I'm still waiting for something beyond your opinion and a weak link to a pop-culture AGW/ACC website...
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The "politically correct" research and reasoning are, by and large, denialism.

Hence the reason nothing is really changing.
Caught your breath, have you? When are you going to say something different than "Everything which which I disagree is denialism."?
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When did I ever say that?
Did you mean "scientism" as something other than an ad hominem against the fundamental basis of our only working model of reality ?

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I, unlike yourself, just have not forgotten that science is a belief system.
It's not a matter of forgetting it, simply a rejection of the implication that all belief systems are equal.

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Its been months, but I'm still waiting for something beyond your opinion and a weak link to a pop-culture AGW/ACC website...
Has the consensus of the vast majority of subject matter experts escaped your notice ?
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Caught your breath, have you? When are you going to say something different than "Everything which which I disagree is denialism."?
Speaking of straw man arguments, when have I ever said that ?
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