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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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So according to the US Govt. the period Jan to Aug 2014 shows Global surface temps as the third highest ever despite all the mumbo Jumbo about El Nino conditions this year forecasting the hottest year ever.
Of course there are 4 months left of this year so we could yet see records being broken...
In the meantime, somewhere in icy land new holiday makers paradise emerges ...

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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

I like the name given to the geological epoch we are now living in: Anthropocene.

People like to differentiate between nature and man-made, but is man not part of nature? We are nature, and what we do is natural.

Nobody knows how long this epoch will last. Likely short-lived as we outgrow sustainability, and we might even destroy it ourselves. But life is just a party, and parties weren't mean to last. So don't be a party pooper.

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Old 16.10.2014, 16:39
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Sadly Lockheed Martin's main interest is likely to be using the small fusion devices to power multi mega watt military lasers in some portable form.
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Old 22.10.2014, 21:56
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Hotting up!

From the US Govt. National Climatic Data Center "The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record."

Looks like we are finally going to see some global warming after 16 years

Who knows we might also see some global warming induced severe weather although the Atlantic Hurricane season is still running below average; with 5 weeks left of the season we might still see major activity!
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

The theory of global warming is that the more carbon dioxide in the air so the less sunlight is reflected back into space and consequently the earth warms up.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=84499

This NASA study used satellite technology to measure the changes in the amount of sunlight reflected; over an 11 year period there was no trend; hence no warming!

NASA is the US Govt. agency.
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Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

Last week, climate researchers at both NASA and the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced that 2014 was the planet's warmest year in the modern record, going all the way back to 1880. The ten warmest years have now occurred since 2000, with the sole exception of 1998 when there was a strong El Niño warming event in the Pacific Ocean.


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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

I am always baffled how any person considering themself a "scientist" could possibly consider a 150 year span in the course of the known historical life of the earth to be statistically significant.

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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

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Last week, climate researchers at both NASA and the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced that 2014 was the planet's warmest year in the modern record, going all the way back to 1880. The ten warmest years have now occurred since 2000, with the sole exception of 1998 when there was a strong El Niño warming event in the Pacific Ocean.

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"terrifying"? Really? It's just the cycle of Earth's life.

You can read anything into any kind of study, but there is usually some element of bias depending on who is presenting the data, or for who is was prepared for, so I take this with a pinch of salt.

Earth is approx 4.5/5 Billion yrs old.
Modern Humans are approx 200,000 yrs old.
We've only got records for the last 150 years or so.

Scientists already know that there have been long periods of global hot, humid weather followed by long periods of cold and dry weather. This is not new data to us all. As the Earths orbit and tilt changes over the years, the weather patterns change. For sure, our activities and emissions/pollutants could be adding to the problem, but it's not the sole answer. I believe we're heading to a peak period of hot weather in between 2 peaks of cold weather patterns and in time (100's, maybe 1000's of years) it will peak and starts to cool down again and we'll be heading towards another ice age.

As Crazygringo points out, a scientist using just a tiny tiny snapshot of time to make that conclusion is not very convincing considering the total time the Earth has been in "existance".
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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

Global warming is 90% likely to be happening. I get that. What I don't get is all the scare stories, they only focus on the negatives. It's inconceivable that there aren't any positives to come out of it too. The most ridiculous statement is "think about our children!". When in the history of human development have children been worse off than their parents?
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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

I heard there was once an ice age too.

Should I buy Long Johns?
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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

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I heard there was once an ice age too.

Should I buy Long Johns?
Long John's what??? What's he selling?

Sorry, terrible joke, but couldn't resist.
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Last week, climate researchers at both NASA and the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced that 2014 was the planet's warmest year in the modern record, going all the way back to 1880. The ten warmest years have now occurred since 2000, with the sole exception of 1998 when there was a strong El Niño warming event in the Pacific Ocean.
And then they say, ...but we are only 38% sure it is true.
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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

Progress is going from "it's not happening" to "it's not us" in twenty odd years.
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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

amazing how "US citizen" = "climate change denial syndrome" in most cases...
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"terrifying"? Really? It's just the cycle of Earth's life.

You can read anything into any kind of study, but there is usually some element of bias depending on who is presenting the data, or for who is was prepared for, so I take this with a pinch of salt.

Earth is approx 4.5/5 Billion yrs old.
Modern Humans are approx 200,000 yrs old.
We've only got records for the last 150 years or so.

Scientists already know that there have been long periods of global hot, humid weather followed by long periods of cold and dry weather. This is not new data to us all. As the Earths orbit and tilt changes over the years, the weather patterns change. For sure, our activities and emissions/pollutants could be adding to the problem, but it's not the sole answer. I believe we're heading to a peak period of hot weather in between 2 peaks of cold weather patterns and in time (100's, maybe 1000's of years) it will peak and starts to cool down again and we'll be heading towards another ice age.

As Crazygringo points out, a scientist using just a tiny tiny snapshot of time to make that conclusion is not very convincing considering the total time the Earth has been in "existance".
I'm pretty sure those clever scientists have ways to check climate historically further back than 150 years.
When you say we're heading for a period of hot weather inbetween 2 peaks of cold weather, what are you basing that on? You seem to be dismissing the gist of current scientific thinking on this topic but are happy to punt with the hot spell between cold snaps theory.
Is it a gut instinct type of thing that is telling you despite vastly higher concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere (which helps warm us) since the industrial revolution, that somehow, some unknown force will cool the planet down again?
The overwhelming body of evidence points to the fact the earth is warming and the speed at which it is warming is very strongly influenced by people.
Are all the scientist united in a conspiracy theory against the rest of us?
At this point in time, I cannot understand how or why people resist global warming theories backed by over 95% of the scientific community on the planet.
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Is it a gut instinct type of thing that is telling you despite vastly higher concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere (which helps warm us) since the industrial revolution, that somehow, some unknown force will cool the planet down again?
One significant volcano eruption could have a massive effect on the planet's temperature and cool it down. And we're worrying about a degree here and there? The Earth abides.
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Are all the scientist united in a conspiracy theory against the rest of us?
At this point in time, I cannot understand how or why people resist global warming theories backed by over 95% of the scientific community on the planet.
I believe there is suspicion of motive. And what do they propose to do? Whatever it is seem to imply something that resembles a drastic wealth redistribution scheme, or some radical alteration of economy and human behavior. All the while, not even sure if it would have any effect if the true cause is a natural interplanetary cycle.
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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

I think reducing world population by half would be very helpful. But first we need to do a referendum where to start.
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Excuse me while I don't panic and join your apocalyptic cult.

0.01 degrees higher, with a 0.05 degree error margin. Not really meaningful to talk about it as the hottest year on record then. I conclude anyone who does to be pushing an agenda. People need to understand error and uncertainty better, but so many, including many wearing the "scientist" badge, do not.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01...record_claims/

It's really hard to work out what is going on when the whole field is infested with activists pushing an agenda, with disdain for the scientific method, and other activists try to browbeat everyone else in to bowing to the authority of the activists wearing the "scientist" badge, rather than engaging directly with the science.
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amazing how "US citizen" = "climate change denial syndrome" in most cases...
not sure if I'm the Gringo you're intending to mock, but if you read again I trust you'll realize that I never even intimated at "climate change denial". rather, I merely pointed out that climate change over a period of time that fails to represent even an infinitesimal fraction of just the rounding error on current scientific estimations of the age of the planet could not possibly be said to be statistically significant.

science is a method of observation, and we have observed a relatively negligible warming of the planet over the last 100-150 years. period, nothing more, nothing less. everything else after the above statement is nothing more than inductive reasoning, which of course means that everything else after the above statement, even if reasoned to on the basis of literally trillions more data points than are currently available, is incapable of ever being proven to a certainy. which means, as I'm sure you already realize, that everything else after the statement above is no longer science.
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